Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Max writes: > An art museum is an institution which shows artworks so that the public > can see them. The artworks are usually by established artists. Shows are > developed with a concept by curators. Artworks are from the museums > collection or on loan from other museums, galleries or private

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Warin
On 2/02/2016 1:56 PM, Max wrote: On 2016년 02월 02일 01:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I think there is a need for sub tags in tourism=museum so that we can distinguish between a science, history, tech, or art museum. actually if you call a gallery like the national gallery or the G

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Max
On 2016년 02월 02일 01:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I think there is a need for sub tags in tourism=museum so that we can > distinguish between a science, history, tech, or art museum. > > actually if you call a gallery like the national gallery or the > Gemäldegalerie in Berlin an "a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-02-02 0:57 GMT+01:00 Max : > Ironically the image in the wiki for tourism=museum shows the national > GALLERY. (which should be tagged museum, but the national gallery is > showing art which the wiki is not mentioning, only "exhibitions on > scientific, historical, cultural topics") > It's a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Max
I've edited it a bit: An art museum is an institution which shows artworks so that the public can see them. The artworks are usually by established artists. Shows are developed with a concept by curators. Artworks are from the museums collection or on loan from other museums, galleries or private

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Max
On 2016년 02월 02일 00:38, Max wrote: > Browsing in the wiki I can see where all the confusion comes from. > Basically the wiki is saying that anything showing art is a gallery, > while the word museum is reserved for science and history. Ironically the image in the wiki for tourism=museum shows the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Max
Browsing in the wiki I can see where all the confusion comes from. Basically the wiki is saying that anything showing art is a gallery, while the word museum is reserved for science and history. Obviously that's not the case and should be fixed. On 2016년 02월 01일 23:40, Matthijs Melissen wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Max
I second this. Gallery, Museum and a shop that sells art are completely different things. "I had a look at some famous galleries: the MoMA in New York, the Uffizi in Florence, the National Gallery of Art in Washington DC, the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam, the Musée d'Orsay in Paris, and the Guggen

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Max
On 2016년 02월 02일 00:03, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 1 February 2016 at 22:17, Max wrote: >> Those are clearly museums, not galleries and they are correctly tagged >> as museums. Sorry to say this, but that sentence clearly shows OP has >> not understand what a gellery is. The wiki pages for tour

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 February 2016 at 22:17, Max wrote: > Those are clearly museums, not galleries and they are correctly tagged > as museums. Sorry to say this, but that sentence clearly shows OP has > not understand what a gellery is. The wiki pages for tourism=gallery, > and shop=art do explain nicely what the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Max
I know a few examples, but I don't think it's as common as art shops disguising themselves as gallery (see the picture in the wiki for shop=art, is is calling itself gallery but it clearly isn't) An example for a gallery with the workd museum in it would be the DAM Digital Art Museum in Berlin htt

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread althio
> > > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum > > > > +1 > > ael > > > +2 > The wiki should reflect the tags mappers use, not dictate to them. > > Phil (trigpoint) Wiki is not clear at all. "An art gallery (or art museum) is […]" I don't understand why you seem to support the wiki in this current sta

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 February 2016 at 20:28, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > I have created a proposal to discourage the tag tourism=gallery, > suggesting either shop=art or tourism=museum as an alternative. > > The proposal can be found here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Discourage_tourism%3

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 February 2016 at 20:56, Dave F wrote: > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum Note that the wiki currently states: 'Note that art galleries very often have the word "museum" in the name. Despite this, if they are primarily displaying art, they should probably take the tag tourism=gallery'. I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Colin Smale
Thanks Max - that sounds clear and objective to me, and from an informed source. Why don't we just copy this text to the wiki so (with a bit of luck) newly tagged museums/galleries/shops will follow this pattern. Then we can discuss the relative merits of a wholesale retagging of the "legacy" obj

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Dave F
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/museum#Noun On 01/02/2016 21:49, Volker Schmidt wrote: I always thought that an Art Gallery is a specific type of museum, i.e. an Art Museum. It can also mean a shop that exhibits and sells art. Hence tourism=gallery seems a good way indicate an Art Museum or Art

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Max
No, that's not the difference. A museum is an institution which shows art works so that the public can see them. The art works are usually by established artists. Shows are curated thematically by curators. A gallery is showing art to the public. There is the possibility of purchase, but it is on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon Feb 1 21:44:50 2016 GMT, ael wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 07:56:22PM +, Dave F wrote: > > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum > > +1 > ael > +2 The wiki should reflect the tags mappers use, not dictate to them. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Jolla ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Volker Schmidt
I always thought that an Art Gallery is a specific type of museum, i.e. an Art Museum. It can also mean a shop that exhibits and sells art. Hence tourism=gallery seems a good way indicate an Art Museum or Art Gallery, in line with tourism=museum. A shop that exhibits art with the main aim of sellin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread ael
On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 07:56:22PM +, Dave F wrote: > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum +1 ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Dave F
Neither are really a direct alternative Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum Just because there are fewer 'gallery' than museum doesn't make it incorrect. Just because galleries may be incorrectly tagged a 'museum' doesn't make them incorrect. A shop selling art could be a sub tag of galle

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 February 2016 at 20:48, Chris Hill wrote: > I think 'ignorant mappers' is disparaging. I'd drop the whole sentence. Good point, I rephrased it now. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/lis

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Chris Hill
On 01/02/16 19:28, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Hi all, I have created a proposal to discourage the tag tourism=gallery, suggesting either shop=art or tourism=museum as an alternative. The proposal can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Discourage_tourism%3Dgallery

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, I have created a proposal to discourage the tag tourism=gallery, suggesting either shop=art or tourism=museum as an alternative. The proposal can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Discourage_tourism%3Dgallery Please let me know what you think. -- Matthi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

2016-02-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 27 January 2016 at 14:40, Andy Townsend wrote: > I have no idea why you have included: > > amenity=register_office (1044 instances) > office=administrative (8807 instances) > office=register (137 instances) > office=tax (354 instances) > > on that page, without any suggested detailed tagging.

Re: [Tagging] Defining tag 'natural=wood' ...

2016-02-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:14:08 +1100 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is there an improvement to be made here? No, as any kind of wiki editing will not cause this tag to change meaning from "area covered by trees". This tag is used more than 3 000 000 times, in nearly all cases without exten