Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boundary=aboriginal_lands

2018-11-29 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 29.11.2018 o 22:48, Doug Hembry pisze: > Would  you also render boundary=protected_area if protect_class=* is > absent entirely? I think this would be a good idea. They are too general conceptually, so I try to stay on the safe side. As you can see with current topic, even this specific

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting -, boundary=aboriginal_lands

2018-11-29 Thread Doug Hembry
Hi Martin, That was an interesting analysis. I enjoyed reading it, and found I pretty much agree with your points. A few embedded comments below: On 29. Nov 2018, at 10:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: By the time, I thought it would be a good scheme because it distinguished the hierarchy

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - emergency=fire_alarm_box

2018-11-29 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hello folks, the fire alarm box tag has been in RFC status for a while and all the concerns raised have been addressed. Here is the proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/fire_alarm_box Please leave your votes and comments. /stef

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boundary=aboriginal_lands

2018-11-29 Thread Doug Hembry
On 29. Nov 2018, at 10:40, Daniel Koć wrote: I was trying to use this in my first approach to protected areas, but I have found that only protection_level numbers were standardized. Others are (mostly) human readable mess, for example:

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Sergio Manzi
+1 You're my hero! To clarify: my contribution was about making right (/according to my point of view, of course/!) something that I thought had issues, but in a general way I'm totally with you and I'm finding a little bit crazy the level of details that someone want to use in the description

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 02:19, Sergio Manzi wrote: > Right! Too many payments! :-) To spare some bytes it could be: payment: > sms:ExampleApp:code=. What do you think? > I would think that it shouldn't be up to OSM to list all the ways someone can pay for parking, down to which app to use or

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Nov 2018, at 17:25, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > Languages must be extensible... there’s always a way to extend ;-) Shorter tags are more convenient for mapping and make it more likely someone will add it. Language, like our tags, usually has context, a ref on a road

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Nov 2018, at 17:20, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > Different services/clearinghouses could require different codes... or not? :-/ it may depend on the service, if needed you can add deeply structured tags of course, but sometimes there will be just one number which is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boundary=aboriginal_lands

2018-11-29 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 29.11.2018 o 11:38, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: > I am also not sure any more whether we should put all kinds of > protected areas in the same bucket, maybe there could already be a > first class distinction between natural protection, resource > protection and social protection. I was

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Sergio Manzi
I mean, today maybe you have just one service/clearinghouse and a simple ref: could do, but then tomorrow a new service/clearinghouse requiring a different code is added. Then you must "namespace" the second code, but the first...  stay un-namespaced? Languages must be extensible... Sergio

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Sergio Manzi
On 2018-11-29 17:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > maybe just “ref”, unless it is different? We are using ref for example for > bus stops where you can use this code to dynamically query an api for bus > arrival times. As long as it is just one reference number, there’s no need to > declare 5

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Sergio Manzi
Hi Martin! On 2018-11-29 17:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > payment:sms:WhateverPayApp:contact= > > > Does not look very sustainable, are we going to mass retag all of these if > the number changes? I agree it might be useful to have this information, but > it shouldn’t need to be tagged on

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone On 29. Nov 2018, at 17:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> payment:sms:WhateverPayApp:contact= >> > > > Does not look very sustainable, are we going to mass retag all of these if > the number changes? I agree it might be useful to have this information, but > it shouldn’t

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. Nov 2018, at 21:14, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > payment:sms=yes > payment:sms:WhateverPayApp=yes > +1 > payment:sms:WhateverPayApp:contact= > Does not look very sustainable, are we going to mass retag all of these if the number changes? I agree it might be

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. Nov 2018, at 21:07, bkil wrote: > > I don't recommend using payment:pay_by_phone=* or > payment:contactless=* due to the sheer number of incompatible > different payment solutions (see wiki). I agree, these are bad because there are too many alternative systems

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Sergio Manzi
Don't you see it *possible* that sms payment can be made through different clearinghouses/operators? Really? Cheers! On 2018-11-29 14:13, Michael Brandtner wrote: > If I pay per SMS, then I don't pay per app. It doesn't make sense to have > both in the same key. I do like bkil's suggestions

Re: [Tagging] Suggestion: ref:mobile_payment for amenity=parking

2018-11-29 Thread Michael Brandtner
If I pay per SMS, then I don't pay per app. It doesn't make sense to have both in the same key. I do like bkil's suggestions but do think that the tags should be as specific as possible, even if that means to have multiple keys with the same value. So for

Re: [Tagging] antenna use key to replace some of the antenna type

2018-11-29 Thread Sergio Manzi
Hello Warin, On 2018-11-29 07:27, Warin wrote: >> >> * amateur_radio: antenna systems used by *licensed *radio amateurs >> > > A mapper will not be able to tell if they are licensed. So I would not > stipulate it. And this is tagging the use, not who uses it (operator=licensed > radio

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boundary=aboriginal_lands

2018-11-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. Nov 2018, at 02:54, Doug Hembry wrote: > > I'm also wondering (an even broader question) at the justification for > making a decision like this (the approval of boundary=aboriginal_lands) > on the basis of 20 or so votes (so far, hopefully more to come) mostly >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boundary=aboriginal_lands

2018-11-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. Nov 2018, at 02:54, Doug Hembry wrote: > > if this is "policy", does it mean that > boundary=protected_area, and protect_class=* tags are doomed in OSM? > Have we found the covert reason why carto still doesn't render it, > despite the fact that it could be