Putting appart this 'man' vs 'human' debate...This reminds me a thinking I regularly have in minds: OSM shall have a way to tell all (registered) data users that "starting from /mm/dd following major change in the database will be applied following vote xxx from OSM community. Please see draw
Some great points here. Good to hear the points of views of all of you.
Look forward to hearing more feedback.
Kind regards,
Rob
On Mon, 19 Oct 2020, 9:19 am Graeme Fitzpatrick,
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Thanks everyone - all makes sense!
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Hi,
On 10/18/20 23:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> And the same applies to brains of people
It appears to me that the end game in this is precisely that, to change
the brains of people. OSM is just a means to and end in that quest.
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> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 20:39, Rory McCann <> r...@technomancy.org> > wrote:
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>> *definitely* not something one does auomatically.
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> But would it be so impossible? (Not suggesting that it should actually be
> done!)
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> Couldn't a bo
Am So., 18. Okt. 2020 um 23:02 Uhr schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick <
graemefi...@gmail.com>:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 20:39, Rory McCann wrote:
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>> *definitely* not something one does auomatically.
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> But would it be so impossible? (Not suggesting that it should actually be
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Doing this would make over 3M objects have their date updated to the
present, when the last meaningful change may have been over 5 years ago.
It creates the illusion of data being up-to-date when all that was changed
was a tag key.
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, 22:02 Graeme Fitzpatrick,
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 20:39, Rory McCann wrote:
> *definitely* not something one does auomatically.
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But would it be so impossible? (Not suggesting that it should actually be
done!)
Couldn't a bot be set to simply find all cases of man_made=, regardless of
what it is, & change them to human_m
Am So., 18. Okt. 2020 um 20:25 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg <
joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>:
> Here's an example of an exclusive busway, which is only used by the Orange
> Line / G Line bus service in suburban Los Angeles:
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> https://media.metro.net/riding/images/LinePage_orange_line_header.jpg
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Hi
Le dim. 18 oct. 2020 à 16:25, Martin Koppenhoefer
a écrit :
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> > On 18. Oct 2020, at 12:39, Rory McCann wrote:
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> > Yeah changing this is a multi-year project,
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> generations...
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Certainly, with the current tagging control plane.
That would only took ~3 or 4
Here's an example of an exclusive busway, which is only used by the Orange
Line / G Line bus service in suburban Los Angeles:
https://media.metro.net/riding/images/LinePage_orange_line_header.jpg
The busway is a 2-lane paved surface which is exclusively for public
transit buses. There is a parall
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> On 18. Oct 2020, at 12:39, Rory McCann wrote:
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> Yeah changing this is a multi-year project,
generations...
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Yeah changing this is a multi-year project, and *definitely* not something one
does auomatically.
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, at 11:42 AM, Alan Mackie wrote:
> This proposal requires the retagging of over 3 million objects, breaks
> every existing rendering, editor and a huge amount of documentation in
This proposal requires the retagging of over 3 million objects, breaks
every existing rendering, editor and a huge amount of documentation in
order to replace a term already generally considered gender neutral and
easily found in dictionaries (including bilingual ones) with more awkward
phrasing th
Love this proposal!
On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 5:11 PM Rory McCann wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, at 2:41 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> > And all this effort achieve what?
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> The liberation of all people from from gender roles 🙂
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, at 2:41 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> And all this effort achieve what?
The liberation of all people from from gender roles 🙂
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Oct 18, 2020, 01:53 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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>> On 17. Oct 2020, at 21:01, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
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>> Nevertheless some crossings were mapped using highway=cycleway and
>> bicycle=no on crossing
>> nodes, probably because it is much less fiddly to map it.
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Oct 18, 2020, 10:20 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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>> On 18. Oct 2020, at 10:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
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>> One more note: in some cases only specific buses are allowed (for example,
>> only public transport
>> buses operated by a municipal company, w
Oct 18, 2020, 10:20 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:
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> Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to
> pedestrian crossings
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Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together with
pedestrians and cross road using crossing shared with a
Oct 18, 2020, 10:27 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:
> On 18/10/2020 07:46, Volker Schmidt wrote:
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>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer <>>
>> dieterdre...@gmail.com>> > wrote:
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>>> Generally, I would propose to only tagcrossing =* on
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On 18/10/2020 07:46, Volker Schmidt wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer
mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Generally, I would propose to only tag crossing =* on the crossing
node, but refrain from access like tags on this node (no bicycle
or foot tags). The a
Oct 18, 2020, 10:17 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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>> On 16. Oct 2020, at 09:32, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
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>> generally bicycle=dismount should be used instead, reserving bicycle=no for
>> those circumstances where even pushing a bike is not legal (e.g. most public
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> On 18. Oct 2020, at 10:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
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> One more note: in some cases only specific buses are allowed (for example,
> only public transport
> buses operated by a municipal company, with private buses not allowed).
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> In such case bus=private
Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to
pedestrian crossings
Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together with pedestrians
and cross road using crossing shared with a pedestrians?
Is there a case of sidewalk where hgv are allowed but on crossing
w
Oct 18, 2020, 09:58 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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>> On 18. Oct 2020, at 08:12, Joseph Eisenberg
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>> Right now the suggestion on highway=bus_guideway is that other busways might
>> be mapped highway=service + bus=designated + access=no. (See >>
>> https:
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> On 16. Oct 2020, at 09:32, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
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> generally bicycle=dismount should be used instead, reserving bicycle=no for
> those circumstances where even pushing a bike is not legal (e.g. most public
> footpaths in England & Wales).
most bicycle=no tags out t
Oct 18, 2020, 10:01 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:
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> Oct 18, 2020, 08:08 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com:
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>> There is an approved tag for bus guideways, where specially-designed buses
>> are guided by a rail:
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>> But how should ordinary busways be mapped? Right now the suggestion on
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Oct 18, 2020, 08:08 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com:
> There is an approved tag for bus guideways, where specially-designed buses
> are guided by a rail:
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> But how should ordinary busways be mapped? Right now the suggestion on
> highway=bus_guideway is that other busways might be mapped high
On 16/10/2020 09:06, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
It does not currently take any account of bicycle=no on a crossing,
not least because bicycle=no is a very problematic tag - generally
bicycle=dismount should be used instead, reserving bicycle=no for
those circumstances where even pushing a bike is n
Oct 18, 2020, 09:44 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:
> On 15/10/2020 17:36, Jmapb via Tagging wrote:
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>> I've always been surprised to see a footway=crossing/cycleway=crossing
>> way with the intersection node tagged as highway=crossing. There's
>> only a single physical crossing, so this seems c
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> On 18. Oct 2020, at 08:12, Joseph Eisenberg
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> Right now the suggestion on highway=bus_guideway is that other busways might
> be mapped highway=service + bus=designated + access=no. (See
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_guideway)
I have
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> On 18. Oct 2020, at 09:46, Emvee via Tagging
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> Routers do not need highway=crossing to detect crossings, every node
> where 3 or more ways connect is a crossing.
sure, but many highway=crossings are tagged on nodes where only 2 ways (or one
going through) con
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> On 18. Oct 2020, at 07:49, Volker Schmidt wrote:
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>> Generally, I would propose to only tag crossing =* on the crossing node, but
>> refrain from access like tags on this node (no bicycle or foot tags). The
>> access should be derived from the crossing ways.
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> This
On 15/10/2020 17:36, Jmapb via Tagging wrote:
I've always been surprised to see a footway=crossing/cycleway=crossing
way with the intersection node tagged as highway=crossing. There's
only a single physical crossing, so this seems contra to the
one-feature-one-element rule.
A highway=crossing no
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