Agreed. I just responded something similar.
Question is now how to tag properly.
I don't expect a tag called "seveso".
I would use a tag that mentions the norm in a way or another, but I'm not sure how to best do it.
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The case at hand here is a norm to characterize a hazard, not the result of a past incident.
In fact, I don't mind if the tags are not detailed.
I was thinking to reflect the classification scheme in place.
A bit like the stars for hotels. If it's a 4 star hotel, we don't tag all the details of
Indeed. I'm not an expert, but it's a good summary.
Data about the classification is available and of public interest, so I'm
wondering how to tag.
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Hello,
I was wondering how to tag Seveso sites. [1]
I found a page in French language on the wiki which indirectly mentions the
possibility to tag "seuilːFRːDREAL=haut/bas" (with tag and value in French
language). [2]
Taginfo shows it's indeed in use, but only in France. [3]
I se
Notice, one shouldn’t confuse “historical” (exists and is historic interest)
with “out of date” (doesn't exist anymore and cannot be verified on the ground)
and with “life cycle” (change of state or usage).
Definitions are mine and can be imperfect.
In fact, I want to allude to:
- Open Histori
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law
Am Mi., 6. März 2019 um 14:16 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com> >:
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Parking spaces, you mean ?
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> AFAIK emergency vehicles are exempt from limitations of traffic law
> (including oneway roads, forbidden access roads, speed limits, red lights,
> forbidden turns)
Belgian law requires they stop at traffic lights and exercise caution. Not only
exercise caution, but explicitly stop. Also, they
but tag abandonned industrial places.
On 2/28/19, 12:04 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Am Do., 28. Feb. 2019 um 11:46 Uhr schrieb OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com>:By the way, there is already a tag for the number of places on a bench: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/
> I second reddit suggestion to use objective criteria.
Totally agreed.
From OSM perspective, we describe how the things are, not so much how they feel
and what are the intentions. That is to say, the question whether something is
friendly or hostile is a decision of the inventors and the users
> I think any discussion of dates and times should start by asking if we could
> apply ISO8601 to the problem at hand. For example the other thread about
> start date variants.
By the way, ISO 8601 is already in use at places:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?search=ISO+8601&title=Spe
Or Github.
https://github.com/plepe/OpenStreetBrowser
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The minimum can also differ.
Some banks allow their young customers to withdraw small amounts, like 5 EUR, whereas adults and even young customers with cards from other banks will not be allowed to withdraw less than 20 EUR.
So, it may create confusion between mappers because what you see as opti
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Past proposals constitute knowledge which can serve later on for a new
proposal. If it would be total crap, it would better be delete it to avoid it
serves as bad model. But if it’s half good, it can be a baseline of what was
learnt, what was disputed, what needs improvement, etc.
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Indeed, it's very strange to require mappers do the maths when there is a
notation to indicate the unit and let the renderers do the maths.
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> can only be used by cyclist
The “access” tag allows to express this.
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Indeed, that's why it's common practice to advertise the drift by changing the subject line.
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> Tag the capacity of the car park itself. It's more useful.
I think the OP is talking about variable display signs indicating the free capacity in real time.
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Tagging as glamping is very helpful because glamping is a recognized concept,
so you can learn more about it at many places on the web, one of which can be
Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glamping.
But I wouldn’t tag luxury or glamour to reflect that a glamping is a luxury or
glamour
So, are you then asking how to find this school or any other, without searching
through the name tag ?
Then, search for elements tagged with amenity=school.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=school
And if you want to search elementary schools, search for school=* or
isced:level=*
> Let's take at look at this spot in the centre of Paris
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.86138/2.36028
> You can see category names displayed everywhere there, e.g. musium, hotel,
> school (in French).
> As a result when you query OSM database for some category items you have to
> appl
I would suggest to make a consistent edit of the area, not just solve one
isolated MapRoulette challenge.
Other segments of the walks have the three names:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/435947565
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/435947561
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The wiki says the access tag represents the *legal* access condition, so not
related to the physical aspects of the feature.
Reading the wiki a bit, I see the access on gates exists to override the
default characteristics inherent to the barrier type: “Each barrier has its own
accessibility def
What’s the fundamental difference (and thus main benefit ?) between
measure:accuracy, accuracy:measure or est_height ? They’re all telling that the
given height is an estimate within an undisclosed interval of confidence?
I wonder if it’s not.better to accept that *any* measure is an estimate, a
In hopefully simple words, an estimate would be a measure which doesn't meet your precision need or doesn't meet your trust criteria of the measure or of the measuring person.
So, they way it was measured is factual information the mapper should share, so that the data consumer can determine for i
Can you show an example of where it’s not appearing properly ?
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Looks like encouraging “tagging for the renderer”.
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> Even if you can make it fit, it's not necessarily a good idea to do it.
> I'm thinking of the Hoover Dustette.
Excuse my ignorance. You’re thinking to what ?
> I'm not sure that a wiki would be the optimal architecture for this if we
> ended up with many GTFS feeds that were interrogated frequ
(Re-posting because I accidentally dropped talk-transit)
On Nov 8, 2018, at 00:30, OSMDoudou
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Just a quick web search, but it appears there exist GTFS editors and there is
an entire ecosystem around creating and hosting GFTS files. H
(Re-posting because I accidentally dropped talk-transit)
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> And it's re-inventing the wheel. GTFS already exists.
> Could we do better? Maybe, maybe not.
Indeed. If someone deter
Just a quick web search, but it appears there exist GTFS editors and there is
an entire ecosystem around creating and hosting GFTS files. Here is one editor,
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> And it's re-inventing the wheel. GTFS already exists.
> Could we do better? Maybe, maybe not.
Indeed. If someone determines GTFS needed improvement, it’s best to work in
that community to improve it instead of inventing another standard. This xkcd
comic is particularly well suited for this s
> including the GTFS endpoints and license info as tags, and maybe then adding the ability to discover the GTFS Realtime extension would be the way to go
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It reminds of this earlier discussion:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-September/039108.html.
Sorry I didn’t take the time to read it all to verify but I seem to remember it
was dealing with the same concern of tagging explicitly or implicitly (by
tagging a parent area).
Considering De Lijn may share their data as GTFS, isn’t it a better effort to
integrate instead of duplicate existing data?
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I incidentally ran across Moovit.com, who describe themselves as the wikipedia
of transit and are using OSM as basemap: https://moovit.com and
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moovit#Product.
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As you don't provide more details, this statement reads as a personal preference and isn't helping in improving the proposal of enabling public transport routing. Can you make a more factual and informative explanation as to how it would be bad for OSM to contain timetable data? The proposal mentio
A couple of thoughts:
- The schedules I know have values different for week days and week-ends and again for school holidays, so I wonder if the depature tag value (as well as the other timetable tags) of frequent departure lines will not run into the 255 character limit. This is similar to the op
Thanks for pointing to it. It was also reminding of this earlier discussion on how to tag the "friendly" attitude of a place, but I couldn't find it back.
"Biker friendly" is difficult to grasp because it's a mindset more than a fact, and we don't map places for their mindset but for tangible and
> opening_hours="see the web site."
If one doesn't intend to tag the opening hours, then one better uses the
"website" tag [1] and not the "opening_hours" one.
But it would be a pity one doesn't document opening hours due to a technical
limitation.
As to improving (thinking out loud here...),
Maybe leverage the existing direction tag (fire_hydrant:opening:direction) ?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:direction
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I'll go for civic_admin. Sounds specific enough. Thx.
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Hello,
The "landuse=commercial" page [1] says "area may consists of offices,
administration", whereas the "landuse" page [2] says "Government services
and businesses should not use this tag".
How to tag a piece of land where governmental several office buildings are
situated ?
For example, a set
Do you mean you use plain polygons, and let data consumer derive relation
observing the parking space polygon is situated within the geo boundaries of an
amenity parking polygon ?
Or do you mean you use multi-polygon relations. [1]
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon
> I’m hardly using the site relation because you can express almost everything
> spatially (a (multi-) polygon for the site
Can you give a link to such an example ?
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Thx. Two follow-up questions.
(A)
I had a look at a place to which - if I'm not mistaken - you contributed to [1]
and I see what you mean.
Still, I'm curious why we wouldn't use the "role" attributes of a relation to
*explicitly* qualify the outer polygon as the "parent" of the parking spaces
Hello,
When micro-mapping parkings, amenity=parking_space are to be brought into a
relation (type=site and site=parking). [1]
But I find it strange the "outer" object (i.e. amenity=parking) doesn't need
to be added to the relation.
I would have expected something like inner / outer in m
Not an expert, but I think you'll need a combination of tags:
- fee or fee:conditional to express fixed time intervals [1] [2]
- maxstay to express the maximum allowed stay within the fee period [3]
- charge to express the fee amount [4]
Querying with overpass-turbo for nodes combin
Yes.
According to this description in French [1], to be defined as "oratoire" /
"shrine", there should be a cavity to exhibit something (with a cross, a roof,
etc.).
So, it's also my interpretation that the picture is more a column than a shrine.
[1] http://www.les-oratoires.asso.fr/presentati
You have a point… :-)
The wiki already presents the idea that unknown means "unclear". [2]
Taginfo tells access=unknown has 20 thousand occurrences (i.e. 0.30% and
ranking at the 11th position), which makes it not so unusual. [3]
The discussion here shows the value of "unknown" raises confusion
I'd rather use fixme and note tags instead of encoding uncodified information
in well-established tags.
The wiki page [1] explains a bit the difference: "The fixme key allows
contributors to mark objects and places that need further attention. These can
be in the form of a "note to self" or req
> Like with any tag value, if data consumers don't undestand it they can just
> ignore it.
One of the data consumer is human. And humans are confused when something hold
unexpected value. :-)
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Others already gave possible causes, so I won't add or repeat.
It's pointless tagging and leaves us guessing whatever it could mean.
If your analysis shows these tags don't add value (this is to say: don't make a
gigantic update on places you haven't reviewed), you better remove them
(possibly
> It is pay and display, so coins or you can use some sort of complicated
> mobile payment system.
See payment methods: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:payment#Keys
> A fee is payable between 08:00 and 18:00 Monday to Saturday, it is free on
> Sunday and bank holidays.
fee=Mo-Sa 08:00-
Not totally sure, but I was thinking of:
- the tag opening_hours would cover the period of time when free and paying
parking is allowed, so that the forbidden period is the rest of the time
- in addition, the fee tag would cover only the period of time when a fee is
due [1]
- add boundary=low_emi
It's clearly visible in JOSM with Mapbox Satellite imagery, but I don't know
how to give a link to that view point.
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Hello,
I can't find how to properly tag this place. [1]
No name pops to mind to represent its purpose: forum, amphitheatre,
pedestrian, speakers corner, etc. don't correspond to suitable tags.
I see a "circle area made of steps where you can sit and meet people", but
that won't make a good tag..
Following the discussion here, I changed the mapping of the mall to move
tags from individual nodes to an area.
For one shop, it attracted feedback from the commercial entity who maintains
its data on OpenStreetMap saying the change broke something at their side.
See the discussion on the chang
in a shopping mall ?
On 21/01/2018 16:48, OSMDoudou wrote:
> When I tag the perimeter with indoor=room instead of building=yes, JOSM
> raises an error "Overlapping ways" for the segment B->C in this kind of
> layout:
&g
] How to tag shop areas in a shopping mall ?
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> There is a shopping mall here [1] for which a mapper detailed the
> inside shops with a node for the "identity" and an area for the
> "physical perimeter" of the shop inside the
Knerr" wrote:
On 17.01.2018 23:16, OSMDoudou wrote:
> There is a shopping mall here [1] for which a mapper detailed the inside
> shops with a node for the "identity" and an area for the "physical
> perimeter" of the shop inside the mall. [...]
> Can you suggest taggi
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This is a two-fold question in fact.
(A)
Osmose raises error "Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle" [1] on a
segment of the R50 highway [2]
Hello,
There is a shopping mall here [1] for which a mapper detailed the inside
shops with a node for the "identity" and an area for the "physical
perimeter" of the shop inside the mall.
Both the mall and the shop areas are tagged as, so Osmose is raising plenty
of errors because of buildin
Hello,
This is a two-fold question in fact.
(A)
Osmose raises error "Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle" [1] on a
segment of the R50 highway [2] [3].
I'm guessing it's because the segment is part of relation for a bike route
but it's tagged as trunk (as the rest of R50), and
Hello,
I was fixing incorrect restrictions tagging in the area, when I noticed
restriction=no_u_turn on the highway segments forming the roundabout (not
talking about the junctions with the roundabout, but really the roundabout
itself). [1]
I find strange to tag the segments of the roundabo
Unclassified looks the better option, because this small road segment is
admittedly not of the width and length you could expect from a primary_link.
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Hello,
Osmose reports an error with reason "Bad topology way level 2" [1] at this
place [2] and I don't know how to resolve it.
There are no buildings around that piece of highway (I'm talking about the
small segment of road, not the residential or the primary highway around)
and its sole p
Of course, what is art is left to everyone's guess and I'm trying to not enter
this debate… :-)
Maybe a way out is Wikipedia's suggestion that the term "craft" could be used
instead of "art": " Often, if the skill is being used in a common or practical
way, people will consider it a craft inste
It would be a pity to not do justice to the artwork element in this sort of
pavement.
Not sure what to suggest however, but maybe something with artwork_type=mosaic
? [1]
[1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/artwork_type=mosaic
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Good point. Landcover seems to be the closest it can be.
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Hello,
Osmose is giving an error at many places around the R50 trunk with reason
"access=yes|permissive allow all transport modes" and additional info
"Including ski, horse, moped, hazmat and so on, unless explicitly excluded".
For example, this way [1] has the error [2].
The road is clearl
Don't worry about local knowledge, I'm local mapper and will survey the place.
I found a dozen of similar or slightly different cases in the area, and the
problem is not about verify things, but about *what* to verify.
The goal of using street view images is not to map based on that, but to
dis
Hello,
Osmose is complaining an area is mapped but not further specified: [1] and
[2]
Here is how the place looks like: [3]
I was thinking it's a side walk, but they're not to be mapped as area [4]
and the place doesn't really look like a square or plaza [5] nor like a
parking.
How would you ta
I don't read them asking to remove routes from maps.
What catches my eye in the article is they ask to "remove our side streets from
their algorithms and not offer them as recommendations".
So, it's a matter of municipalities putting the right signs in the field (e.g.
destination only --
A lot of good food for thought, be it in favor or not in favor of mapping it.
Thanks for the feedback.
I could see room for mapping, potentially in great details even (e.g. is there
under-water exploration, cave exploration, toxic material detected, what kind
of hazards you could be exposed to,
Hello,
I stumbled upon this place: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2994322059.
I initially thought Urbex would be the former name of the factory
("Exploitation de craie abandonée" = "abandoned clay exploitation" in
English), but it seems it rather stands for "Urban Exploration":
https://en.wik
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