Re: [Tagging] Flood prone areas

2010-03-18 Thread Randy
FC stage. This from doing a quick wiki search on "flood". So I think the answer to your question is a somwwhat qualified "no". -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Snowshed voting

2010-03-16 Thread Randy
ture, tagged as man_made=snowshed, similar to the manner one might tag a way or area covered by a building. This is appropriate, since the snowshed is a visible, above ground, structure (at least during warmer times of the year). -- Randy ___ Taggi

Re: [Tagging] US Speed Limits, truck routes, bike routes, access

2010-03-06 Thread Randy
eas.) As a general rule, a speed zone sign will be found within 50-100 yards of the end of a school zone. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Dutch cafes (was: What's a power=station?)

2010-01-19 Thread Randy
Randy wrote: > missed tagged That's Texan for "mistagged" ;) -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Dutch cafes (was: What's a power=station?)

2010-01-19 Thread Randy
David Earl wrote: >On 19/01/2010 17:23, Randy wrote: >>As something that has a common "look & feel" around the world, so we've >got a shorthand for a common experience, what would people call >Starbucks premises in their own languages, and what would you translat

Re: [Tagging] Dutch cafes (was: What's a power=station?)

2010-01-19 Thread Randy
itional complexity of literal translations from other languages. Still, there are necessary exceptions to restricting usage to English definitions. It's a very beneficial process to have these kinds of discussions, as it makes us all aware of the language differences so that w

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-19 Thread Randy
ut half of this thread has been, followed by appropriate changes to the wiki where indicated, are the proper approach to maturing our somewhat chaotic teenager. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-19 Thread Randy
;t think that's bending the definition much, just restricting it a little more than the current use. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-18 Thread Randy
They are few and far between though, and mostly archaic or historic, due to the inefficiencies of distribution. And, they are usually, if not always, within the confines of a larger facility rather than used as a utility. -- Randy (I confess, I cheated a

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-17 Thread Randy
ear to conflict with any currently defined tags. My preference would be to use power=station for the total power generating facility, including generation and distribution functions, and power=generator for the device or possibly the building(s) within the facility containing t

Re: [Tagging] Easy question: _link tags for U turn/cut throughs?

2010-01-07 Thread Randy
Steve Bennett wrote: >Thanks, >Steve Personally, if there is a connecting/crossing way, I tag it with the same tag as the connecting way. If it is just a turnaround, I tag it as highway=service. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list T

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-28 Thread Randy
. I don't want to kick the discussion off again, the issues have already been addressed in this talk group and in the discussion section of the covered proposal, I just wanted to provide some background. As always, do it your way, whichever one that is. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] [tagging] covered=yes - Approved

2009-12-21 Thread Randy
The property tag covered=yes has been approved, and has been added to the features list. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Post_Box and addr:* nodes

2009-12-20 Thread Randy
Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote: > > >-- >From: "Randy" >Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 6:47 AM >To: >Subject: Re: [Tagging] Post_Box and addr:* nodes > >>Matthias Julius wrote: >> >>> &g

Re: [Tagging] Post_Box and addr:* nodes

2009-12-18 Thread Randy
want to "find the nearest post box", that's a geographical search, not an address search. Now if there is no building at the location, and the post box does have an address, then unless you are adding housenumbers to vacant lots, adding the add

[Tagging] [tagging] RFC Reminder - causeway

2009-12-14 Thread Randy
Just a reminder that the discussion period for the feature "causeway=embankment/piling/yes" is nearly up. So, if you have any comments, please make them in the next couple of days. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetma

Re: [Tagging] parking

2009-12-08 Thread Randy
" to apply to nodes, ways and areas such as parking. Since I'm the sponsor, I'd appreciate it if you would take a look at it, and vote. I'd like to see a definitive decision on it rather than have it die due to lack of interest :-( So far, a total of 7 votes. END OF COM

Re: [Tagging] parking

2009-12-08 Thread Randy
ly parks in a separate place from the police, etc.) -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] parking

2009-12-08 Thread Randy
Roy Wallace wrote: >On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Randy > wrote: >> >>>I think access=destination is natural and expresses concisely "you can >>>park here if you are visiting an associated business". >... >> >>That sounds good to me,

Re: [Tagging] parking

2009-12-08 Thread Randy
can add a service road through the parking lot. However, I don't think it's worth trying to tag any restrictions on those two or three slots in front of a shop in a strip shopping center that say "parking for this shop only". -- Randy __

[Tagging] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - covered

2009-12-05 Thread Randy
Your considered vote on this proposal would be appreciated. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/covered -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] [tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - covered - Last Call

2009-12-03 Thread Randy
Randy wrote: >There have been no comments to the "covered" proposal since the first >flurry. I'd like to move this to the Approved page if the group has no >objection, so I'll allow another day for comments, and then move it to >voting. > >Yes, I know th

[Tagging] [tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - causeway

2009-12-01 Thread Randy
I have totally renovated the 2007 proposal for a causeway tag and placed it in Proposal status. Comments are encouraged. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Causeway -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Randy
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >just go for it ;-) > > >Cheers, >Martin Done. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Randy
Randy wrote: situation that started this thread. > >The term "embankment" defines the structure on which the road is built in >the original example for this thread. It doesn't define the highway. > I note that there is a Key:embankment wiki page, which suggest &q

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Randy
freshing the "Causeway" tag as a property proposal? I think the problem with the original was that it was set up as man-made=causeway rather than as a descriptive term of the highway itself, because the author didn't understand the difference between the highway and the structure it was built on. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - covered

2009-11-05 Thread Randy
e proposal talk page) will be appreciated. The original draft included the tagging of buried and submerged entities as "covered." Those have now been removed. The proposal can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_feature

[Tagging] RFC: Feature Proposal - "Covered"

2009-11-05 Thread Randy
Randy wrote: >Randy wrote: > >I have made a major modification in the proposal, to, among other things, >remove association with buried and submerged items, except for items in, >for example a trench which has a removable cover. This to denote that it >is normally traversab

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Covered

2009-11-05 Thread Randy
Randy wrote: I have made a major modification in the proposal, to, among other things, remove association with buried and submerged items, except for items in, for example a trench which has a removable cover. This to denote that it is normally traversable, but accessible without, for example

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Covered

2009-11-04 Thread Randy
agging@ or on the discussion page of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/covered. Thanks, -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Breezeway (alternative to the tunnel and covered options)

2009-11-03 Thread Randy
n mind, I have never considered breezeways to be on that scale. However, there are many situations that can be covered by "covered" that wouldn't apply to breezeway. For example a "pocket" with a wide opening for both entry and exit, say to a hotel entrance, but no oppos

Re: [Tagging] Feature: "covered=yes" - Added to Map FeaturesProperties

2009-11-03 Thread Randy
what is and is not a tunnel. The tunnel page is the place for that. There is apparently quite a bit of disagreement about what is and is not a tunnel, and that may be addressed elsewhere. Whatever a tunnel is, the covered property is unnecessary for a tunnel, because tunnel implies

[Tagging] Feature: "covered=yes" - Added to Map Features Properties

2009-11-03 Thread Randy
it to provide a different layer. I researched "covered" and "buried" in the wiki, and didn't run across any conflicts except for a Belgian reference to "man_made=reservoir_covered", which would indicate a single case of redundancy. -- Randy __

Re: [Tagging] Are tunnels only below ground? (Was Highwaypropertyproposal "covered-yes")

2009-11-03 Thread Randy
characteristics, that is "completely enclosed on all sides, save for the openings at each end". -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Are tunnels only below ground? (Was Highway propertyproposal "covered-yes")

2009-11-02 Thread Randy
clearer understanding of why I might disagree on a few occasions, and have skewed my understanding a little in your direction. I'll wait a couple more days to see if there are anymore comments on the "covered" issue. If not, I&#

[Tagging] Are tunnels only below ground? (Was Highway property proposal "covered-yes")

2009-11-02 Thread Randy
r than a tunnel, assuming "covered" becomes an accepted property for highways and such. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(boundary=military)

2009-11-02 Thread Randy
Anthony wrote: >On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Randy > wrote: >>To me, in the US, boundary=military makes sense from the perspective that >>a military base is usually under federal jurisdiction, rather than the >>state and local jurisdiction of the political/administra

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(boundary=military)

2009-11-02 Thread Randy
the boundary. And, some other countries would have some interesting situations to tag where they are hosting foreign (usually US) military facilities. I'm not sure exactly how all the juristicional issues break out there. -- Randy ___

Re: [Tagging] Highway property proposal "covered=yes"

2009-11-01 Thread Randy
sub-section of the Map Features page (which although it is in the Non Physical section of the page contains numerous physical properties), after which I would welcome any appropriate tweaks to the definition. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Highway property proposal "covered=yes"

2009-10-31 Thread Randy
alifier on tunnels, and I'd like to see it removed. First of all, it's inaccurate. Look at the online dictionaries. Nearly all of them qualify tunnel as a passage under or _through_ something. An example (I think in Miriam-Webster) is the passage through

Re: [Tagging] Highway property proposal "covered=yes"

2009-10-30 Thread Randy
to using a way, then, in my opinion, a method, that while on the surface is redundant, is more functional to your purpose, is not only valid, but preferred. As you see, my tendency at times is to ramble. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Highway property proposal "covered=yes"

2009-10-30 Thread Randy
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >2009/10/30 Pieren > >>On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Randy >> >>wrote: >>>Possibly just "building=roof" >>>would work (not my idea, someone else suggested it). >> >>I have a much bigger preference to

Re: [Tagging] Highway property proposal "covered=yes"

2009-10-29 Thread Randy
Tobias Knerr wrote: >Randy wrote: >>I propose that an additional property for highway of "covered=yes" be used >>for this and similar situations, where a road extends under a building, >>roof attached to a building, etc. > >If I understand you correctly, this

Re: [Tagging] Highway property proposal "covered=yes"

2009-10-29 Thread Randy
Anthony wrote: >On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Randy > wrote: >>I propose that an additional property for highway of "covered=yes" be used >>for this and similar situations, where a road extends under a building, >>roof attached to a building, etc. >

Re: [Tagging] Highway property proposal "covered=yes"

2009-10-29 Thread Randy
Tobias Knerr wrote: >Randy wrote: >>I propose that an additional property for highway of "covered=yes" be used >>for this and similar situations, where a road extends under a building, >>roof attached to a building, etc. > >If I understand you correctly, this

[Tagging] Highway property proposal "covered=yes"

2009-10-28 Thread Randy
entries/exits being drawn. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Best practice regarding addr:housenumber and POIs

2009-10-16 Thread Randy Thomson
t; gets housenumber='5102' or housenumber='5102 Apt 2'? If it is truly a point of INTEREST, would you not want to tag it uniquely rather than just tagging the building? How about a relation between the building with "addr:housenumber=123", and the multiple poi's in

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularlyskippednumbers

2009-10-16 Thread Randy Thomson
> > Deal? This is a work in progress. Slow progress, because I AM surveying them, and I don't have that many hours a week to work on it. So, it will be quite awhile before I have enough data to make it worthwhile to run a script. Thanks for the offer. I'll keep it in mind when I ge

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularlyskippednumbers

2009-10-14 Thread Randy Thomson
Randy Thomson wrote: > Sounds good Martin. I have about 3000-5000 houses to tag, I'll tag the > beginning and ending house addresses, on each street, if you'll tag > the 15-20 individual houses in between. They're in the satellite > images, so it shouldn't be a

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularlyskippednumbers

2009-10-14 Thread Randy Thomson
ddr wiki page. I'll start tagging street addresses this way as soon as time permits. I noticed that Mapnik already renders the way properly, although there is no way to verify the increment. OSMARender apparently detects an invalid interpolation va

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularly skippednumbers

2009-10-11 Thread Randy Thomson
effectively be identical to > addr:interpolation=2 +1 I like simple. Doing it without a subkey is easier both going in (mapping) and, i suspect, coming out (rendering). -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularlyskippednumbers

2009-10-10 Thread Randy Thomson
required to use it. That would be anti-OSM, or anti-anarchist or some other terrible anti that I don't even want to think of. If that's the case then maybe we agree and don't know it. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularlyskipped numbers

2009-10-10 Thread Randy Thomson
Tobias Knerr wrote: > Randy Thomson: > >> Consequently, in single family dwelling areas, with even/odd > >> numbering, the numbering sequences go 00, 04, 08, 12, etc. for even > >> (N/W), and and 01, 05, 08, 13, etc. for odd (S/E) house numbering. > > > &g

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularlyskipped numbers

2009-10-10 Thread Randy Thomson
f you for getting this dialog kicked off. Hopefully a few more will chime in along the way and we'll have some sort of consensus in a few days. Meanwhile, I'm not going to have an opportunity to do any addressing, anyway. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularly skippednumbers

2009-10-10 Thread Randy Thomson
s is unknown? Do I > need to propose an > addr:interpolation_as_the_word_is_defined_by_everyone_in_the_gis_world > _except_osm to handle that situation? My answer to your first question is a labor saving of anywhere from 2 to 10-fold for the mapper. I'm talking about thousands of hous

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularly skippednumbers

2009-10-10 Thread Randy Thomson
h; step=1 would > > have the same effect as all). > > I'd agree with that if the numbers 2, 6, 10, etc. were being reserved > for different lots. But in this example, the lots are really each > being assigned two numbers. > > Something which perhaps should be clari

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularly skippednumbers

2009-10-10 Thread Randy Thomson
Granted the number of buildings can be unknown, but is the number of valid addresses unknown? In my case, the second address is not valid, and will never be valid, unless a house is torn down and a duplex is built in its place, which might (or might not) require a zoning change. -- Randy

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularly skipped numbers

2009-10-10 Thread Randy Thomson
Randy Thomson wrote: > I addressed this topic in the Karlsruhe discussion page, but didn't > get much constructive input. Maybe it's more of a US problem. Still I > thought I should bring it here, since tagging has been split off from > general Talk. > > In Fort Wo

[Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularly skipped numbers

2009-10-10 Thread Randy Thomson
ag, and I can't think of a better way to do this. I'm fairly new to OSM, and this may not be the best way to pursue this idea, so suggestions, either for process, or for a better solution, are invited. -- Randy ___ Tagging mailing list Taggi

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it'snot built yet

2009-10-10 Thread Randy Thomson
g as they are mapped as > planned and not as in construction or in use. > > cheers, > Martin > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Then you are p