[Tagging] A fool with a tool ... Vehicle service tags

8X- Sérgio V. svolk2 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 4 15:59:48 UTC 2019 As talking on tools, standards and principles, I think what is vital is to follow "OSM principles": https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice *Don't remove tags that you d

[Tagging] A fool with a tool ... Vehicle service tags

8X- Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org Fri Jan 4 12:29:34 UTC 2019 Hi, I agree there seems to be a problem here that needs careful discussion & consideration, but: On 03.01.19 16:47, Thilo Haug OSM wrote: > So which ACTION

[Tagging] A fool with a tool ... Vehicle service tags

Forgot to mention : " it follows what `service:bicycle:*` does." is not true. And if you introduce a new system, you should also explain the namespace structure. And not just create a hard to find "notice" which isn't linked to from the affected existing tags https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ke

[Tagging] A fool with a tool ... Vehicle service tags

8X-- Bryan Housel bhousel at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 04:39:03 UTC 2019We discussed it here on this list last year. You started the thread even, so you can’t pretend like you "just realized” it. I even asked people to update the wiki. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipe

[Tagging] A fool with a tool ... Vehicle service tags

Hi all, just realized there's a "great" new feature in ID editor, lots of senseless service tags in this format : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=service%3Avehicle%3A Seems to be over a year ago that someone decided to avoid conflicts between the "street" and the "car" services : https

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

You just forgot to mention the table would solve this :-) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Default_speed_limits#The_table And there should be a link to it on these pages : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Speed_limits#Country_code.2Fcategory_conversion_table https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wi

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

Hi all, I think this should be discussed here (centrally) : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Emergency_Cleanup#amenity.3D.2A_vs._emergency.3D.2A Generally I don't understand why the parameters can't be "mixed" (a police station is a police station, whether for emergency or not

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

g people express the details with an easy "grammar" / "subkeys"). Am 03.09.2018 um 15:49 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > > 2018-09-03 15:18 GMT+02:00 Thilo Haug OSM <mailto:th...@gmx.de>>: > > The principle should be described in general (not only for ren

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

r (to distinguish it from which other key "without service" ?) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dbicycle#Additional_keys Cheers, Thilo Am 03.09.2018 um 12:19 schrieb Hufkratzer: > On 2.9.2018 22:06 Thilo Haug OSM wrote: >> {...] >> The current namespace art

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

Hi, I don't have a general preference about the format, but I think it should be possible to express several things to rent (buy/repair etc.) and it should be easily be possible to filter for all these items (regardless whether it's a shop/hotel/farm). So the format should be flexible enough to a

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

And what if a touristic item (farm, hotel, shop...) offers several things to rent ? Let's say horses, bicycles, jetski ? Am 01.09.2018 um 16:25 schrieb Hufkratzer: > On 1.9.2018 02:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 at 09:03, Hufkratzer > > wrote: >

[Tagging] transport=* -key

Hi all, what is the meaning of the transport=* -key ?  I couldn't figure it out because it's often on buildings (possibly "reachability" ?) There's a total of 4 013 usages, but no wiki description : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/transport

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 105, Issue 26

I think what Mark wanted to express is more about some general guidelines which could be established. The  tagging systems are very inconsistent, just have a look at the different "service" syntax (namespaces) of a car vs. bicycle vs. motorcycle shop (and none for others). There could be a system

Re: [Tagging] Removing helpful information in wiki pages

Hi, IMHO the picture helps understand the process of starting and landing, as not everyone heard about the recent development. I thought this would be helpful to get an overview at a glance. (talking about the spacex schematic picture, not the " long exposure" one, which should only show the "real

Re: [Tagging] service:vehicle: prefix

Hello all, instead of discussing everything from scratch, let's create a general guideline for shop suffixes. There has already been a former short dicussion with some nice examples, but no productive outcome : General namespace (syntax) for shops : https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/taggi

Re: [Tagging] service:vehicle: prefix

Key:service:bicycle:repair >> >> >> >> On 06/05/18 13:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> As part of shop=car_repair >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar_repair >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Graeme

Re: [Tagging] tagging LPG only station

fuel:diesel=no fuel:octane_91=no fuel:octane_95=no fuel:octane_98=no fuel:e10=no Am 06.05.2018 um 18:52 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > How to tag fuel station with only LPG fuel? > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dfuel and > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:fue

[Tagging] service:vehicle: prefix

Hi all, what is the service:vehicle: prefix good for, and where is it documented ? (1 223 occurrences) https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/service%3Avehicle%3Acar_repair#overview Cheers. Thilo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org ht

Re: [Tagging] musical_instrument tag for publicly available musical instruments

perhaps musical_instrument:usage= ? Am 30.04.2018 um 11:22 schrieb Marc Gemis: > Besides the arguments from Martin, > > how do you differentiate the "rental" in a bar, where you can only > play on the instrument, and not take it away from the room/building > from a real rental company that deliv

Re: [Tagging] musical_instrument tag for publicly available musical instruments

Hello all, i think that subtags are necessary for all types of shops but may be the same for every (non-food) type of shop, as all of them usually offer the same (besides sales), so the following may apply : musical_instrument:sales=* musical_instrument:rental=* musical_instrument:repair=* musica

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

An example, good luck : 56 TSKM, 39 Languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Togo 41 TSKM, 4 languages : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland (Germany : 357 TSKM) Am 18.04.2018 um 21:49 schrieb Vao Matua: > I would suggest that OSM is probably not the best place for this.  > Ther

Re: [Tagging] Tag:shop=shotball

Hi, there's already https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dweapons How about a subtag weapon:type=* The corresponding sport is here : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dshooting Cheers, Thilo Am 08.03.2018 um 13:00 schrieb Александр Львов: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

I agree with those statements : What they sell (e.g. clothes, groceries, only in bulk packaging) or if access is restricted (specific times, only certain group of people) are separate concerns *and should be tagged separately*. Am 06.03.2018 um 18:55 schrieb Paul Allen: We already make a distinct

[Tagging] "service" tags in general (for shops)

Hello all, instead of debating every single shop (details), I'm in favor of using a name scheme which applies to all (kind "grammar" for it). In the context of the printer_ink shop discussion I stumbled on the "service" tags of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcopyshop IMHO service

Re: [Tagging] Shops that sell printer ink cartridges

I didn't get the point of this comment, do you got an example ? Am 24.02.2018 um 00:51 schrieb marc marc: > Listing all possible values in shop=* means that each tool > must provide a sorting by category if it wants to organize > the data and make life harder for the majority of shop that > have m

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

Hi Volker, the way I understand the current syntax, underscore is more for spaces (in terms) and colon for namespaces (to separate the "subcategory"). So I'd use vehicle:type=* rather than vehicle_type=* (leaves room for vehicle:anythingelse=*) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace Cheer

Re: [Tagging] Not mapping personal preferences and details

Hi all, did I miss the "consensus with the community, after long and detailed discussions" here ? https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-October/033760.html There are two guys which appear to me like religios bigot on an Inquisition, but maybe the definitions in the wiki are just

[Tagging] lunch_specials or lunch:specials ?

Hello all, I stumbled on a bakery which serves warm meals for lunch which is quite unusual (whereas it's common for butchers in Germany) http://www.schmidbeck.de/aktuelles.html There are currently 5 occurrences of lunch_specials on taginfo : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=lunch_specia

Re: [Tagging] shop - clothing_repair

Maybe a namespace ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace I think this statement isn't true : " It's impossible to cover all types of shops."' further, it's mentioned : "If you discover new shop types, you may invent your own values" I think this should be standardized, similar namespaces m

[Tagging] Vandalism ?

Was there any consensus about this topic ? 8X--- Gîtes les terres noires. (525407874) OSM data: remove 12 occurrences of 'proprietor:motorcyclist' after discussion on the Tagging list that OSM should not map personal preferences, and is not a veh

Re: [Tagging] building=maisonette(s)

Hello all, here it's defined as : "A set of rooms for living in, typically on two storeys of a larger building and having a separate entrance." https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/maisonette HTH Am 02.12.2017 um 23:21 schrieb Warin: > On 03-Dec-17 09:09 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Proposed deletion of wiki pages about motorcycle_friendly=*

You're talking about things like this ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dinsect_hotel Have those all been discussed ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Seamarks/Seamark_Object_Usage When is it "low usage" ? And how should usage appear (in a structured way), if it's not documente

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=* subtags

Thanks for the really exotic examples, I'd say this is : optician also selling delicatessen shop=optician deli:sales=yes deli:type=? --- bookshop in Paris, whose best known feature is the bánh mì sandwiches shop=books fast_food:sales=yes cuisine=sandwich --- sexshop f

Re: [Tagging] Voting: expand the aeroway key with aeroway=spaceport, aeroway=landingpad, aeroway=launchpad

Another reminder : Vote end: 2017-05-30 (in 4 days) Cheers, Thilo Am 16.05.2017 um 10:28 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > Just a reminder: today voting for the aeroway key redefinition is > starting, please vote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/include_spacecraft_in_ae

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Missing oneway:bicycle=no / Wiki editing

Hi André, according to this documentation, the tagging mailing list is the wrong platform to address this : "*If you have ideas for the wiki, you can generally just do them, by editing the wiki! * If you need any assistance the *wikiteam* are here to help." https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wik

Re: [Tagging] aeroway=spaceport, aeroway=launchpad, aeroway=landingpad

tion that I am interested in. Karora 10:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC) Cheers, Thilo Am 02.05.2017 um 13:04 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > 2017-05-01 23:14 GMT+02:00 Thilo Haug OSM <mailto:th...@gmx.de>>: > > [...] changing without reviewing cases individually > > > &

Re: [Tagging] aeroway=spaceport, aeroway=launchpad, aeroway=landingpad

Am 01.05.2017 um 22:34 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > surely their performer didn't follow the automated edits code of conduct. O really, which case applies ? * changes made by Bots , which by definition act autonomously from human intervention. * d

[Tagging] aeroway=spaceport, aeroway=launchpad, aeroway=landingpad

Hello all, as aeroway=spaceport was already in use, I created a wiki description for it : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aeroway%3Dspaceport Launchpad is also in use : http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/oL2 I case you feel this should be further discussed, please leave your comment here : https

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

Hello all, so what is the principle of the "organisation of information" in OSM ? Up to now, I couldn't find a documentation that explains the general philosophy how to tag items. Cheers, Thilo > different organisation of information. > will very likely not be what we want. _

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

> Do not falsely conflate "complex" with "worse". You original complaint > was, in effect, that there was a lack of complexity, now you complain > that there is. In the OSM Wiki there's enough complexity (and not everything is "orthogonal"). If you'd like to tag tourism POIs, you should check sev

Re: [Tagging] aeroway=spaceport , aeroway=launchpad

%3Dbunker Cheers, Thilo Am 28.04.2017 um 20:45 schrieb Thilo Haug OSM: > Hi all, > > I'm astonished there isn't a description for spaceports yet, > therefore the tagging differs widely : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Aeroways#aeroway.3Dspaceport > >

[Tagging] aeroway=spaceport

Hi all, I'm astonished there isn't a description for spaceports yet, therefore the tagging differs widely : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Aeroways#aeroway.3Dspaceport - Proposals / Opinions ? IMHO amenity doesn't fit well, as it's just another kind of airport. Cheers, Thilo __

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

In Germany this is the same : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Post Am 15.04.2017 um 17:04 schrieb Marc Gemis: > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> How is it not a post office that just happens to have an operator other than >> the state? > So if I ask you "where is th

Re: [Tagging] office=therapist??

I think it's similar to : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage "office" is really strange Am 13.04.2017 um 23:23 schrieb John Willis: > > > Javbw > > On Apr 14, 2017, at 4:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Looking through the current list

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - drying:*=*

Hello all, please check this proposal and comment on the discussion page : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/drying This is thought for all kinds of sport accommodations which offer a possibility to dry your equipment. Thanks in advance, Cheers, Thilo __

Re: [Tagging] Vertical farming vs. other vertical plants

Hello all, regarding vertical plants, some examples against air pollution came to my mind. it's not really "farming", but at least an "artificial" way to grow plants, so it doesn't really fit with "natural" http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural Do you think this should be considered ? I