Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-04-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 03.04.2011 04:26, schrieb David Murn: On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 12:11 +0200, Ulf Lamping wrote: *... and I'll especially call it wiki fiddling if the currently widely used tags are removed from the wiki without even keeping a note of the old tags.* Doesnt the fact that the proposal e

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-04-02 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 02.04.2011 11:03, schrieb David Murn: On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 14:42 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: This (new ?) schema seems not often used (some plant has the 2). Excellent example of wiki fiddling ... at least this was discussed and voted about: Im sure I remember seeing this discu

Re: [Tagging] Nuclear Key

2011-04-01 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 27.03.2011 12:24, schrieb Pierre-Alain Dorange: Following recent international events, i start study nuclear site on OSM. Nuclear power plant seems presents and use power=generator power_source=nuclear power_rating=2000 MW but according to wiki, this was obsolete and

Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes

2011-02-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.02.2011 22:22, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: On 2/14/2011 4:05 PM, yvecai wrote: Actually, Mapnik would render a 'pointSymbolizer', how would it look like? Just a label could be enough. Why not simply use the same style as place=locality? Because I would like to see the elevation in the la

Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes

2011-02-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.02.2011 14:22, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/2/14 Steve Bennett: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Ulf Lamping wrote: That was the start of the discussion in 2007, but was changed due to the changes (around the same time) of highway=tunnel / highway=bridge to tunnel=yes / bridge

Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes

2011-02-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.02.2011 13:40, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/2/14 Nathan Edgars II: http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=36.76925,-82.20018&z=16&t=T If this isn't mountain_pass=yes, what should it be mapped as? IMHO natural=pass would be the most logical way to do it. Natural describes in it's vast majority

Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes

2011-02-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.02.2011 00:07, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Ulf Lamping wrote: P.S: What bugs me more is the (not so un)common practice to put the node near the way (where the sign is?) and not exactly on the road. This makes it difficult for renderers to detect the kind of

Re: [Tagging] Mountain passes

2011-02-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 13.02.2011 20:57, schrieb j...@jfeldredge.com: I guess this partly comes down to the questions of how you define a way, and how you define a pass. If a particular pass becomes little-used, because a tunnel or a lower pass provides an easier way to get past the mountains, does that make it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 29.01.2011 13:33, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/1/29 John Smith: On 28 January 2011 21:35, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yes, IMHO (I'm not an English native) this is not scree. I would tag them landcover=bare_rock (or depending on the size landcover=pebbles) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F

Re: [Tagging] RFC: historic:civilization and historic:period Re:new key civilization

2011-01-12 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 13.01.2011 03:08, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/1/12 Ulf Lamping: In practice, lot's of sites have *several* different "roots" throughout the ages. A castle may be build in early medieval ages, continuously extended throughout those ages, largely changed in the baroque

Re: [Tagging] RFC: historic:civilization and historic:period Re:new key civilization

2011-01-12 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 12.01.2011 17:59, schrieb j...@jfeldredge.com: Your examples are rather ridiculous. A Viking captain, or King Arthur's sword, would not be logical items to have on a map. Hmmm, I guess Pieren is very much aware of this :-) A building or archaeological site likely would be on a map, and t

Re: [Tagging] Karting...

2011-01-10 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 10.01.2011 12:28, schrieb John Smith: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:sport&diff=prev&oldid=583789 I'd be more inclined to use the English and shorten it to just sport=cart Some time ago, I had a look at how sport=motor is actually used. By looking at

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 07.01.2011 03:26, schrieb Alan Mintz: I can't find a tag for the base of operations of a towing service - i.e. you call them to tow your broken car or truck to a repair shop. The basic definition would be a service that tows cars and other "light" vehicles. Truck and other heavy vehicle towing

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 07.01.2011 00:10, schrieb Steve Bennett: If by "do their best" you mean, the people involved work hard and in good faith, yes. If you mean the result is optimal, then clearly not. There are lots of bugs in mapnik. Where are the trac tickets to improve the situation? And just look at the ta

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 06.01.2011 23:06, schrieb Simone Saviolo: ... but in fact the map is not reliably usable. Fine, if you think OSM is working unreliably - just go on and start your own reliable project :-) If you set up something like an "OSM core profile" and the majority of people find it useful, this m

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 03.01.2011 21:20, schrieb Paul Norman: They both have elements of flow control, but function in quite different ways and look very different. A weir is used to raise the water level or control flow, with water flowing over the top. A sluice gate is essentially a valve for small waterways. Yo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate What's the difference to waterway=weir? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/T

Re: [Tagging] Call for German, French, Russian & Japanese updates for changed tag

2010-11-22 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 22.11.2010 22:28, schrieb "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]": Ulf Lamping napsal(a): First of all, please repeat a hundred times on the blackboard: There's no such thing as a deprecated tag in OSM. Especially not, if the new proposal is only a few weeks old ;-) Sure there are depreca

Re: [Tagging] Call for German, French, Russian & Japanese updates for changed tag

2010-11-22 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 22.11.2010 10:49, schrieb Tom Chance: Ulf, the proposal introduced a new set of tags to specify the type of power=generator, deprecating two existing tags. The new set of tags is more powerful and loses none of the detail made possible by the old tags. I'm not gonna argue with you, wether th

Re: [Tagging] Call for German, French, Russian & Japanese updates for changed tag

2010-11-22 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 22.11.2010 10:26, schrieb Tom Chance: Hello, Some time ago a proposal to change the way we specify types of power generators was passed. Unfortunately, the German, Russian, French and Japanese translations haven't been updated. Hi Tom! Please revert the changes in the english page! A "pas

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 18.11.2010 10:41, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Features such as parks may cover a large area, and if the park is drawn as a polygon, routing software will likely choose the centroid. The nearest point on public roads to the centroid may however not be the actual entrance to the park. For example,

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-17 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 17.11.2010 21:43, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: It is accepting that semantically different things can reside under the same key and that this doesn't cause any problems - except for people like you that seem to think that a systematic approach is a value in itself. it depends what you impli

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-17 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 17.11.2010 21:29, schrieb Elizabeth Dodd: On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:11:18 +0100 Ulf Lamping wrote: It is accepting that semantically different things can reside under the same key and that this doesn't cause any problems - except for people like you that seem to think that a syste

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-17 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 17.11.2010 18:36, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/11/16 Ulf Lamping: BTW: High trees often doesn't cover land, the grass (or bushes) below does. How do you tag this with landcover? let's say they don't cover the land on the surface, why surface is not a good tag. moon Yo

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.11.2010 22:16, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/11/16 Ulf Lamping: No, surface was meant (and is in fact used widely) to describe the surface material of something, being it a highway, beach or whatever. There is e.g. *no* problem to describe the surface of e.g. natural=beach with that

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.11.2010 13:51, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/11/16 Ulf Lamping: So what is the *exact* problem with surface? it extents the usage of surface as attribute for routable entities to all kind of entities, therefore reducing simplicity for the data consumers with no benefit at all. No

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.11.2010 08:30, schrieb Elizabeth Dodd: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:52:07 +1000 John Smith wrote: I've already been tagging beaches and other areas as surface=sand, how does using landcover make this any better? natural=beach surface=sand Because, if you'd ever been to PommieLand (UK for t

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-15 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.11.2010 03:49, schrieb "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]": The problem with surface is that it is currently proposed (and used) to describe two different things: 1) A property of certain object, which can be area, way, node... 2) What is on the surface of certain _area_ of land ("landcover"). Altho

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-15 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.11.2010 02:57, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 16.11.2010 00:57, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/11/15 Ulf Lamping: The whole "nature_reserve as an area" is broken. it is clearly an area. What else should it be? All

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-15 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.11.2010 00:57, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/11/15 Ulf Lamping: as the concept of putting this into leisure, landuse, natural... is simply broken. +1 Oh, BTW, as a side-effect, putting this into landcover is *also* broken. The whole "nature_reserve as an area" is br

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-15 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 15.11.2010 11:39, schrieb Morten Kjeldgaard: On 2010-11-14 20:30, Ulf Lamping wrote: landuse=nature_reserve is your own personal concept. Please have a look at (and make yourself comfortable with) the existing map features before you discuss here. Arrogance doesn't bring any respe

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.11.2010 14:24, schrieb Morten Kjeldgaard: On 13/11/2010, at 12.40, Ulf Lamping wrote: How is landcover orthogonal to landuse / natural? Because you can imagine a landcover area overlapping -- or being a part of -- a landuse area. For example, landuse=nature_reserve might include

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 13.11.2010 12:58, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/11/13 Ulf Lamping: Am 13.11.2010 12:04, schrieb Morten Kjeldgaard: How is landcover=trees any more helpful then widely used landuse / natural?!? in the case of landuse: landuse=residential, landcover trees ? Or natural=beach, landcover

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 13.11.2010 12:04, schrieb Morten Kjeldgaard: On 13/11/2010, at 09.27, John Smith wrote: On 13 November 2010 15:38, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: Yes, the landcover tag would be very useful in many instances, and quite orthogonal to landuse. Are you going to write a proposal for it, Martin? s

Re: [Tagging] landuse for arboretum

2010-11-11 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 11.11.2010 03:34, schrieb John Smith: On 11 November 2010 12:18, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I'd prefer keeping landuse values at a minimum, and using subtags where necessary. For example landuse=residential something=apartments, not landuse=apartments. Would landuse=conservation work for an arb

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 07.11.2010 14:04, schrieb Sam Vekemans: Hi, Adding 'culture=community_center' and culture=community_centre' would helpfull. although there needs to be a clear difference from 'tourism' key. perhaps 'tourism' is reserved for things that are designed primarly for the benifit of visitors to the

Re: [Tagging] url vs. website

2010-11-04 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 04.11.2010 06:17, schrieb Paul Johnson: On 11/03/2010 01:39 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: The mapfeatures declare that url should not be used and website should be used instead. Is this a common agreement? I find url used 3,5 times more often (260 000) then website (66 800) in the database.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_hydrant

2010-10-18 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 19.10.2010 02:53, schrieb Richard Welty: On 10/18/10 8:40 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote: There has been a very lengthy discussion about the emergency category - and there wasn't a clear outcome. There wasn't a consensus if the change is useful at all and it's still unclear what s

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_hydrant

2010-10-18 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 18.10.2010 12:20, schrieb Rodolphe Quiedeville: Le 18/10/2010 09:31, Rodolphe Quiedeville a écrit : Hi, I started rename amenity=fire_hydrant to emergency=fire_hydrant as it is describe in the wiki. I checked there's no rendering in mapnik styles and t...@h. [...] I forgot to say that I've

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-18 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 19.10.2010 01:23, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: my point was that there is no "kiosk like stuff" I'm not living in a black and white world - do you? There's a list of stuff potentially sold in a kiosk (at least here in germany). I don't know if I can buy public transport tickets at a spec

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-18 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 19.10.2010 00:10, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: could be either food or newspapers/tobacco/sweets/etc. and/or lotto and/or public transport tickets and/or telephone cards and/or flowers etc., so it doesn't fit into shop=xy because it doesn't allow to deduct what is sold/which service is offered

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-18 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 18.10.2010 15:04, schrieb j...@jfeldredge.com: However, a shop, located in a kiosk, that is selling "cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages" is not selling kiosks, so labeling it with shop=kiosk breaks the "label according to the merchandise sold" principle. A shop that sold k

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-17 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 17.10.2010 11:52, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: shops should be tagged with shop=, which refers to the kind of stuff sold, also in cases like supermarket or convenience, which are less obvious then e.g. shop=electronics. shop=kiosk breaks this rule, as it doesn't refer to the sold products but

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 13.10.2010 10:30, schrieb Lennard: On 13-10-2010 9:43, Peter Körner wrote: I contacted him and we're still in a very interesting discussion. His opinion is, that the map-features should list the *most common used* features and it's clear that with 500 uses, craft does not fall into this cate

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 17.09.2010 02:55, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/9/16 André Riedel: Selling cars and sometimes letting of cars: shop=car rental=yes selling cars and renting motorbikes. shop=car rental=yes? Better use the syntax of the proposal: selling cars and letting of cars: shop=car rental=car

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.09.2010 23:11, schrieb André Riedel: 2010/9/16 Ulf Lamping: Well, Sixt will very rarely sell you a car, but a ski rental station very often will also sell you ski if you like. I'm not saying that the rental tag is generally a bad idea (I've recently added this to JOSM presets t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.09.2010 21:21, schrieb André Riedel: 2010/9/16 Ulf Lamping: Am 16.09.2010 15:19, schrieb Jonas Stein: Are there tags missing? Any other issues? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/rental Yes, it's simply a bad idea. E.g. a car rental station is very different f

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.09.2010 15:19, schrieb Jonas Stein: Are there tags missing? Any other issues? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/rental Yes, it's simply a bad idea. E.g. a car rental station is very different from a ski rental station. It looks quite different, it's used for a very d

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 11:02, schrieb Ross Scanlon: I thought it was there to produce the most accurate map data available Yes and then produce mapping information easily. No, never really been. Generally speaking, OSM tries to make it fun for the mappers to map stuff. If someone wants to use it it's

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 10:46, schrieb Ross Scanlon: > ... The renderers would simply have to look in the tagging table to see what needs to be displayed. Sounds to me that you have absolutely no clue how OSM is actually working. Regards, ULFL Typical. NFI about database use so you resort to sli

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: Hi some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft It has grown over time and I got some questions to move i

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 10:29, schrieb Ross Scanlon: > ... The renderers would simply have to look in the tagging table to see what needs to be displayed. Sounds to me that you have absolutely no clue how OSM is actually working. Regards, ULFL ___ Tagging m

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 09:36, schrieb Ross Scanlon: Well, I will take a change to 'troll' again about it. This discussion comes up again and again because we don't have: a) clear tagging guidelines (*not* rules) b) mechanism to replace tags Agree totally. This (b) would be easily recitified by normalis

Re: [Tagging] is tourism a good category for everything cultural?

2010-08-23 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 23.08.2010 23:37, schrieb John Smith: Martin, So its ok to shift stuff from tourism but not shift stuff from amenity to emergency? No it's not ok to wiki-fiddling emergency, or tourism, or cultural or whatever - especially not, if a lot of people actually disagree with that change. I've

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 17.08.2010 00:31, schrieb John Smith: On 17 August 2010 08:24, Ulf Lamping wrote: What is the benefit to put this all under amenity=school - and then have a tag no renderer actually can use, because it is far too generic? The benefit is an existing tag that isn't very specific,

Re: [Tagging] Dancing school

2010-08-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 17.08.2010 00:04, schrieb John Smith: On 17 August 2010 07:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: -1, IMHO no. A dancing school, boxing school, ski school, etc. are IMHO not in the same category than general-education schools. They might be classified in one category, but that is IMHO not school.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 28.07.2010 00:40, schrieb Richard Welty: On 7/27/10 8:33 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: I agree that fire hydrants and fire extinguishers should be tagged differently. While both are used for putting out fires, fire extinguishers (a) are limited to use on smaller fires, and (b) are useful by the

Re: [Tagging] Zone 30 (maxspeed)

2010-07-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 06.07.2010 20:38, schrieb Colin Smale: On 06/07/2010 18:44, Richard Mann wrote: I'm not really clear what is the value of tagging a "zone", except in a note. Why not just use the standard maxspeed tag? +1 Here in NL it warns you that the given road sign (could be maxspeed, could be some ot

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - traffic jam warning

2010-05-28 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 28.05.2010 23:53, schrieb Roy Wallace: > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Martin Bober wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I have filled in a proposal for a tag indicating a high risk of traffic jams >> and >> would like to hear your comments. > > Nicely put together proposal with examples - good work.

Re: [Tagging] Parking for businesses..

2010-05-18 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 18.05.2010 09:13, schrieb Roy Wallace: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: >> >> I propose to add the following to the Parking wiki page, in the table >> of the "Tags" section, as follows: >> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Parking) >> >> Column "Key": access >> Column "Va

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-05 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 05.05.2010 22:36, schrieb Roy Wallace: > There's only "room for grey" (w.r.t. the OSM definitions) if we want > there to be. Following the OSM discussions for years now I would say: That's an illusion. > I think I do understand your point, though, that you think it better > to keep using thes

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-05 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 05.05.2010 07:47, schrieb Roy Wallace: > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:22 PM, John Smith wrote: >> On 4 May 2010 18:14, Roy Wallace wrote: >>> 1) allow for the specification of more than one type simultaneously, >>> e.g. amenity=A;B, amenity=B;C, etc., or >>> 2) change/specify in more detail the de

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-05 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 05.05.2010 06:17, schrieb John F. Eldredge: > Yes, that is the origin of the term. However, usage of words shifts over > time, often into multiple meanings, depending upon context. From what I have > heard, a "coffeehouse" in Amsterdam, Holland, now means a place that sells > marijuana, not

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 12.04.2010 19:54, schrieb Anthony: > Well, I now see that there are a few. I still don't understand why, > though, and I don't think we should keep doing something which makes no > sense just because we've done it in the past. It's not (only) because we've done it in the past, it's just a lot

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal "image=http:/... .jpg"

2010-02-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 06.02.2010 17:38, schrieb Tobias Knerr: > Ulf Lamping schrieb: >> Am 05.02.2010 12:26, schrieb Tobias Knerr: >>> Sam Vekemans wrote: >>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image >>> The problem with this proposal is that there isn't a definition

Re: [Tagging] Proposed: flagpole

2010-02-05 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 06.02.2010 03:23, schrieb Jonas Stein: > Rationale > Flagpoles are important landmarks. > Usually they are visible over a long distance. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/flagpole > > This is my first proposal i hope everything is correct with it. > Please contact me if so

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a flagpole / ~flagstaff?

2010-02-05 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 05.02.2010 23:56, schrieb John Smith: > On 5 February 2010 23:53, Jonas Stein wrote: >> How to tag a flagpole / ~flagstaff? >> I could not find it in the wiki. > > I had a quick look on the wiki, couldn't see anything. > > try something like amenity=flag_pole and add something to the wiki Soun

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal "image=http:/... .jpg"

2010-02-05 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 05.02.2010 12:26, schrieb Tobias Knerr: > Sam Vekemans wrote: >> I edited the page 'image' >> feel free to fix / edit/ delete >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image > > The problem with this proposal is that there isn't a definition which of > the several images that likely exist for mos

Re: [Tagging] Offices/non-shop businesses

2010-01-26 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 27.01.2010 01:46, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > 2010/1/27 Roy Wallace: >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Woll Newall wrote: >>> >>> The appropriate land-use tag is "commercial" (defined as >>> "Predominantly offices, business parks, etc."), so maybe such things >>> should be tagged commercia

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-19 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 19.01.2010 08:03, schrieb Liz: > On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Ulf Lamping wrote: >> d) I don't think it's a good idea to change a tag description two years >> after it was documented, because the wording is "slightly" wrong for >> some parts of the engli

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-18 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 19.01.2010 05:54, schrieb Stephen Hope: > I wouldn't be so worried about it except for the fact that we use > English tags exactly so that you can make a good guess as to what the > data means without having to go to a lookup table. When almost all of > the tags are readable, then an incorrect

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-17 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 18.01.2010 04:47, schrieb Alan Mintz: > At 2010-01-17 19:33, Steve Bennett wrote: >> According to the wiki "map features" table, a "power=station" is "A >> tag for electricity stations. Wires from power lines come in or go out >> here." >> >> Two questions: >> 1) Does everyone use it this way? W

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.12.2009 21:56, schrieb Steve Bennett: > It's great that people are looking for specific items like that and > pointing out discrepancies. Keep it up. Just one more: Some JOSM rules contain b= for binary values. b="yes" means: yes, true or 1 b="no" means: no, false or 0 You seem to take t

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.12.2009 11:59, schrieb Steve Bennett: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Pieren wrote: > Btw, I do think that OpenHikingMap should interpret highway=cycleway > exactly the same way as OpenCycleMap, OpenSwimMap, > OpenMarijuanaMap...etc. They will each render it differently, but it > should

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.12.2009 11:02, schrieb Pieren: > What is "core" and what is not ? What is in the wiki Map Features ? > But anyone can add his tag, approved by 10 or 12 voters in the Map > Features... > You cannot fix priorities for other people creating the data or other > applications using the data. What i

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.12.2009 11:31, schrieb Lennard: > Ulf Lamping wrote: > >> c) why is that "power=line" and "power=tower" and lot's of others >> displayed in the map have no entry in the Mapnik column? > > These are filtered on in the Datasource, in the SQL its

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 13.12.2009 11:35, schrieb Steve Bennett: > Sorry for the spam. Sort of. :) > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Stevage/tagsupport > > This is getting interesting. Side by side are now Mapnik, Osmarender, > Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, and the Map Features wiki page. It's rather > amusing, if

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.12.2009 10:05, schrieb Steve Bennett: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ulf Lamping > wrote: >>> Yeah, and I think there is an unfortunate problem where the >>> wiki/mappers don't want to tell the renderers what to do, and the >>> renderers don

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 14.12.2009 01:29, schrieb Steve Bennett: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Ulf Lamping > wrote: >> Partly because of differences in the intention of the renderers. It >> makes a difference if you want to have a nice map or if you want to aid >> in editing.

Re: [Tagging] Comparison of tag support: Mapnik, Osmarender, Potlatch, JOSM, Kosmos, Map Features (wiki)

2009-12-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 13.12.2009 22:41, schrieb Steve Bennett: Hi Steve! First of all, big thanks for taking the time to make the differences visible!!! To be honest I expected a lot of differences in the renderer rules. Partly because of differences in the intention of the renderers. It makes a difference if y

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Seamark/Marine-Tagging-Proposal open for Voting

2009-11-11 Thread Ulf Lamping
Mario Salvini schrieb: > Hi Sam, > > man_made=lighthouse tells us something about the physical issue of this > building. > seamark=lighthouse tells us something about the role as a naval > navigation mark. > > the same problem we have with man_made=beacon. > Without any further information nobo

Re: [Tagging] kosher amenities

2009-10-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Liz schrieb: > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Lennard wrote: >> BTW2: It's halal. What you lack in replying restraint, you make up for >> with extra letters? > My keyboard doesn't write Arabic, but I'm quite sure it ain't halal or > hallall > or halall - that any transliteration is probably missing somethi

Re: [Tagging] highway=raceway?

2009-10-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
John Smith schrieb: > 2009/10/14 Ulf Möller : >> Hello, >> >> highway=raceway has recently been added to the Map Features page because >> it had been added to the Mapnik rendering rules a few months earlier, >> but there is no information available about the tag. >> >> Could someone who knows the d