Re: [Tagging] Where do source tags belong?

2014-06-30 Thread bulwersator
> I'm not sure if OSM Messaging is built-in in JOSM, but it could be useful for quick messaging in this kind of case No, due to missing API features. All that could be done is checking for unread messages. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetma

Re: [Tagging] Rendering change: buildings within highway areas

2014-06-30 Thread bulwersator
> Can you help me understand what exactly should be tagged as a multipolygon? Highway areas - see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/23399879 that created https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3278602 Tunnels and in general roads tagged as ways are unaffected. > Also, it would be nice to s

Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-22 Thread bulwersator
Canal is just man-made channel for water and existence of ones without flow is possible. I encountered some (between lakes). On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 02:08:01 -0700 Pieren wrote On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 5:22 PM, fly wrote: > Bette

Re: [Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-20 Thread bulwersator
hat the feature is rendered with oneway markers. Thanks, Bryan On Jun 20, 2014, at 6:49 AM, bulwersator <bulwersa...@zoho.com> wrote: According to iD editor man_made=pipeline implies oneway=yes in the direction of way[1]. It is imho a bad idea, because - it is not mentioned on http://wik

[Tagging] man_made=pipeline - is onewayness implied?

2014-06-20 Thread bulwersator
According to iD editor man_made=pipeline implies oneway=yes in the direction of way[1]. It is imho a bad idea, because - it is not mentioned on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline - direction of pipeline may be hard (I mapped some and in every case direction was unknown) -

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread bulwersator
What is wrong with spaces? On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 04:27:04 -0700 François Lacombe wrote Should we retrieve context with other keys or deal with those ugly blank spaces ? ___ Tagging mailing list

[Tagging] Pipeline bridges

2014-06-18 Thread bulwersator
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline is not mentioning how pipeline bridges should be tagged. I expect that it would be [man_made=pipeline, location=overground, bridge=yes, layer=*]. example: http://goo.gl/maps/nCtc2 ___ Tagging m

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin ATM (amenity=atm | currency:XBT=yes)

2014-06-10 Thread bulwersator
I agree, introducing weird term instead of something obvious and widely used is bad idea. Especially doing this to keep happy small group of inexperienced editors. On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 05:40:01 -0700 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote 2014-06-10 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jank

Re: [Tagging] WikiProject Emergency Cleanup

2014-06-08 Thread bulwersator
Please, switch to something less jarring. Maybe just listing pages or category would be enough? This banner is rather obnoxious. On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 11:11:07 -0700 Andreas Goss wrote WikiProject Emergency Cleanup aims to structure tags and Wiki pages associa

Re: [Tagging] Wiki edits, building tags on nodes versus areas

2014-06-04 Thread bulwersator
Shop and building (with the shop inside) are frequently completely separate features/objects/elements. I guess that push toward tagging POI as nodes is result of fact that in some situations only nodes are processed properly (at least that is why I tag new features in this way). http://openingh

Re: [Tagging] noexit=yes (again) (and again)

2014-05-30 Thread bulwersator
noexit=yes on ways makes absolutely no sense and mentioning this tagging style on wiki suggests otherwise. On Fri, 30 May 2014 17:16:29 -0700 André Pirard wrote On 2014-05-30 18:47, SomeoneElse wrote : 5388b60f.9080...@mail.atownsend.org.uk" type="cit

Re: [Tagging] highway=track access

2014-05-19 Thread bulwersator
In Poland all road types are assumed to imply access=yes (at least in my experience). On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:05:30 -0700 Richard Fairhurst wrote Hi all, There are almost 8m highway=track objects in the database (thanks taginfo!), third only to =residential

[Tagging] access=public and access=yes

2014-05-10 Thread bulwersator
Is there any difference between access=public and access=yes? I see no difference and access=public is rare (13:388) synonym of "yes", not documented on wiki (though it appears in JOSM preset). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https:/

[Tagging] Access tags on areas containing highway=*

2014-03-19 Thread bulwersator
Is it reasonable to expect that well tagged road contains all access tags necessary to check whatever it is accessible? In other words - is it OK to tag area like proving ground with access=no, without tagging roads on this area with proper access tags? Should cases like this be reported by val

Re: [Tagging] wikidata instead of wikipedia

2014-02-23 Thread bulwersator
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 06:31:18 -0800 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote +1, it would be premature to switch completely to wikidata at this point, and the human readable titles in the wikipedia tag have generally this advantage over machine only cryptic ids cheers, Ma

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-19 Thread bulwersator
Maybe tag it as a private parking? On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:06:28 -0800 Pieren wrote It's a small area with several buildings where the municipality is storing vehicles and the maintenance and repair services. Someone suggests to use "amenity=public_building" but

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-01 Thread bulwersator
http://goo.gl/maps/H49dF on cycleway going down the hill. Note that it is possible count this entire traffic interchange as a giant traffic planning bug (especially cycleways). I encountered the same for cars, in Poland in mountainous areas very, very, very rarely there is a maxspeed for downhi

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

2014-01-28 Thread bulwersator
I was no aware despite my attempts to find something like this. But I prefer report produced by my validator as it is providing info what is a problem. On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:05:58 -0800 Werner Hoch wrote Hi, I'm wondering, if you're aware of WIWOSM: https://w

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

2014-01-28 Thread bulwersator
And thanks for providing link! (sorry for separate messages) On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:05:58 -0800 Werner Hoch wrote Hi, I'm wondering, if you're aware of WIWOSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WIWOSM They provide lists of bad wikipedia tags, too: https://

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

2014-01-25 Thread bulwersator
Unfortunately keepRight seems to be dying ("I will stop my efforts in develpoing KeepRight"). On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:48:50 -0800 Bryce Nesbitt wrote Such a test could have a home in keepRight ___ Tagging mailing l

[Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

2014-01-24 Thread bulwersator
multiple linked Wikipedia articles are missing coordinates. Git repository with this python script resides at https://github.com/Bulwersator/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator (suggestions for improvements, bug reports and especially pull requests are welcomed!), some example report (for Vatican and

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-23 Thread bulwersator
It would be interesting to someone, but it is not reason to misuse OSM. In the same way that I will not store results of parliament votes - it is also interesting to somebody, may be presented on map (where parliament is/was located) and is completely unfit to be part of OSM database. On W

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-22 Thread bulwersator
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:17:06 -0800 Bryce Nesbitt wrote On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: Hi, Openstreetmap has been contributing to the Bitcoin revolution with this map: http://coinmap.org/ the problem is that lots of

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-02 Thread bulwersator
I think that allowing anything else other than paved and unpaved in surface was a mistake. Separate paved and unpaved keys should be used for surface details (surface=paved, paved=asphalt - instead of surface=asphalt, surface=paved, paved=concrete, concrete=plates - instead of insane surface=con

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-15 Thread bulwersator
It is usable only for maps generated for area similar to the one pictured, therefore it should be added at stage of processing data, not to the OSM database. It suffers from the same problem as "lets place a single node." On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 08:16:39 -0800 Tobias Knerr

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-12 Thread bulwersator
With mountain ranges there would be a major problem where node should be placed. Carpathian Mountains cover 190 000 km² - good luck with edit wars where node should be placed. It probably would work better as a separate database. On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 03:09:47 -0800 Andrew Guertin

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden

2013-12-06 Thread bulwersator
For example to render view of city from OSM data also data about private gardens, trees, swimming pools etc are necessary. On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 04:26:18 -0800 Matthijs Melissen wrote I agree with Martin. Also the fact that an object (parking, garden, swimmi

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden

2013-12-05 Thread bulwersator
+1, it seems quite obvious. On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 09:46:55 -0800 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote 2013/12/5 Wolfgang Hinsch how should it be tagged? Is it ok to tag the whole residential area between the streets as one leisure=garden inclu

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden

2013-12-05 Thread bulwersator
It should not be changed, garden is garden - private or not. Filtering out access=private to show only public ones is trivial. I see also no arguments for changing meaning of tag used over 150k times. On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 01:37:06 -0800 cracklinrain wrote Hi,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - landuse=highway

2013-12-04 Thread bulwersator
And feedback suddenly appeared. As now people noticed this proposal and first people against appeared voting was suspended to improve proposal. On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 10:35:17 -0800 bulwersator<bulwersa...@zoho.com> wrote landuse=highway - identifies an area of land on w

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - landuse=highway

2013-12-04 Thread bulwersator
landuse=highway - identifies an area of land on which a highway together with any associated footways and verges are constructed. I started voting on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/highway ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-30 Thread bulwersator
Tons of smaller polygons, city-sized megamultipolygons seems to sound like a bad idea (and with small ones result gets drawbacks of both idea). On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:18:53 -0800 cracklinrain wrote The next thing is: How will you applicate such a tagging? Multip

[Tagging] Fwd: Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-30 Thread bulwersator
In some places (for example Poland) there are available orthophotos covering entire country, usable by OSM mappers. In USA there are probably maps made by federal government and therefore available as public domain works.In most places local governments have very detailed maps that may be usable

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-18 Thread bulwersator
Good idea, I removed it. It is special case, there are situations where next landuse will not be a private property. On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:53:44 -0800 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote 2013/11/17 Tobias Knerr In my opinion, the actual area

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-16 Thread bulwersator
"To identify an area of land on which a highway together with any associated footways and verges are constructed up to a boundary or barrier separating this land from private property." - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/highway It was proposed in 2009 and then proposal died