Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 21:51, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: The Vienna allotments don’t seem to fit our wiki definition, but I think > they may have started out as allotment gardens years ago and evolved into > residential areas over time? > Back when I mapped some allotments, about a year ago, I came

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Many “allotments” in Central Europe have small cabins or even full-sized houses which are used as part-time residences. Take a look at the “allotments” around Vienna, Austria for example, or most any German city. The Vienna allotments don’t seem to fit our wiki definition, but I think they may

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 14:57, Sérgio V. wrote: > Hi, BTW, What is actually the difference between: > > Tag:place=plot > (Status: in use / wiki-start: 7 April 2015) > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dplot > "Use the tag place=plot to identify a named plot is a tract or parcel of >

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-07 Thread Sérgio V .
Hi, BTW, What is actually the difference between: Tag:place=plot (Status: in use / wiki-start: 7 April 2015) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dplot "Use the tag place=plot to identify a named plot is a tract or parcel of land owned or meant to be owned by some owner."

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I believe many areas of allotments have a single postal address assigned to the entire area, while the individual plots are not registered as official addresses. Perhaps this explains why a different tag was used. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:41 PM Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Monday 07 January

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 07 January 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > > They are verifiable by asking the organization in charge of the > allotments, as I initially did > when mapping some allotments. Verifiability in OSM means *independent* verifiability based on observations of the geographic reality. Same as with

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 12:47, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > I am wondering about the practical verifiability of such numbers. I > mean in OSM we do not map internal numbering systems of organizations > for their infrastructure if those are not manifested in the form of > signs visible to the

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 07 January 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The current wiki page for landuse=allotments > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dallotments) states > that one should "Use allotments=plot and/or boundary=lot for an > individual plot and lot=number_of_plot for number of plot."

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 06:45, Anton Klim wrote: > I think iD might be rendering refs now, unless I misremember. > I just checked, and iD doesn't display the ref, only the name. But it no longer needs an explicit area=yes to get the label in the centre of the plot rather than putting it along

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 00:38, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > “One day plots may even be rendered, but I'm not holding my breath.” > > I’m working on the SQL query right now... but I thought we should discuss > this here first. > Excellent news. Thanks for this. Point of discussion: should ref=* be

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
“One day plots may even be rendered, but I'm not holding my breath.” I’m working on the SQL query right now... but I thought we should discuss this here first. Re: name=* for plots: I didn’t expect an individual plot to have a name. But if this is possible it should be documented on the wiki

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 at 23:46, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The current wiki page for landuse=allotments > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dallotments) states > that one should "Use allotments=plot and/or boundary=lot for an > individual plot and lot=number_of_plot for number of

[Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

2019-01-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The current wiki page for landuse=allotments (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dallotments) states that one should "Use allotments=plot and/or boundary=lot for an individual plot and lot=number_of_plot for number of plot." However, the wiki page for allotments=plot