Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-04-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Apr 2018, at 00:48, > wrote: > > There is also an automated key mentioned on the wiki. > > > > This applies mostly to self_service I would guess, and I assumed > automated=yes indicates that you can pay at the pump. > automated=yes doesn’t appear to be a cle

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-04-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 5:48 PM, wrote: > There is also an automated key mentioned on the wiki. > > > > This applies mostly to self_service I would guess, and I assumed > automated=yes indicates that you can pay at the pump. > > > > I didn’t mention the following because taginfo showed that it’s

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-31 Thread osm.tagging
by these 3 keys is considered insufficient, then we’ll probably have to define some completely new key. Cheers, Thorsten From: Paul Johnson Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2018 04:06 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel On Sat, Mar 31

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-31 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 7:01 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 29 March 2018 at 11:58, Javier Sánchez Portero > wrote: > > > I'm looking for a key to denote if you have > > to refuel by your self or not. I meant if the station operates on self > > service mode. > > There are (at least) three modes: >

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-31 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 29 March 2018 at 11:58, Javier Sánchez Portero wrote: > I'm looking for a key to denote if you have > to refuel by your self or not. I meant if the station operates on self > service mode. There are (at least) three modes: * Attendant service * Self service, pay at kiosk * Self service, pay

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-31 Thread marc marc
could this be simplified with yes/no/only ? > 2018-03-30 11:37 GMT+01:00 : > Only serviced by attendant: > self_service=no > full_service=yes self_service=no > Self service always available, attended only during the day: > self_service=yes > full_servi

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-31 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
2018-03-30 11:37 GMT+01:00 : > Based on the information provided here: > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dfuel#Service > > > > and what was stated in previous posts on the mailing list, I would guess > that the correct tags would be: > > > > Only serviced by attendant: > > >

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Mar 2018, at 12:37, > wrote: > > The expectation for the default values of self_serivce and full_service will > probably vary greatly from location to location, so it’s probably best to > always explicitly specify both to take the guessing out of it. I would al

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-30 Thread osm.tagging
always explicitly specify both to take the guessing out of it. From: José G Moya Y. Sent: Friday, 30 March 2018 18:53 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel I understand you can tag "self_service:no" in case of att

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-30 Thread José G Moya Y .
I understand you can tag "self_service:no" in case of attended fuel stations? As Javier says, disabled people use to need attended fuel stations. In Spain (are you from here, Javier?) some administrative areas (atonomous communities) are moving to enforce attended fuel stations. In other countrie

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On 30 March 2018 08:50:07 BST, "Javier Sánchez Portero" wrote: >El vie., 30 mar. 2018 8:a >I think this is important for disabled drivers to have to go down the >car >to fill or not. > Not really, at self service filling stations the cashier will fill the car for disabled drivers. Phil (tr

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-30 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
El vie., 30 mar. 2018 8:54, escribió: > While it has never been used before, the logical key to me would be > self_service:conditional following the usual rules for conditional keys. > I agree. It will require only a minor change in the conditional restrictions wiki. Javier > __

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-30 Thread osm.tagging
While it has never been used before, the logical key to me would be self_service:conditional following the usual rules for conditional keys. At least you can choose during the day if you fuel by your self or not. So I would treat it as not self service during the day. I consider this a

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-30 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
El vie., 30 mar. 2018 8:13, Stephan Knauss escribió: > Hello Dave, > > As this is a thing country specific, people typically expect the norm. So > no need to tag this explicitly. > > Question is how to tag it. > > self_service sounds like the right key to tag exceptions from the norm. It > can al

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-30 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hello Dave, As this is a thing country specific, people typically expect the norm. So no need to tag this explicitly. Question is how to tag it. self_service sounds like the right key to tag exceptions from the norm. It can also be used with the same meaning for example for car wash. These com

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-30 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
El jue., 29 mar. 2018 23:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick escribió: > > > > On 30 March 2018 at 05:34, Javier Sánchez Portero > wrote: > >> In my area there are still some serviced stations and I consider this an >> added value. >> > > Definitely! > > Question re another variation thanks. > > We have a s

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-29 Thread Dave Swarthout
In the U.S. almost all service stations are unattended these days. The pumps are automated and accept only credit cards. Persons needing to pay cash have to go to a separate office or shop to pay. Oregon used to be the only state I visit regularly in which customers were not allowed to fuel their v

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-29 Thread Stephan Knauss
It is the norm that you have an attendant coming and filling up the tank for you. Some places will always clean the windscreen while waiting for the refill, but don't this is something to tag special as you can always ask the attendant to clean them. In some countries it differs, so I suggest

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 30 March 2018 at 05:34, Javier Sánchez Portero wrote: > In my area there are still some serviced stations and I consider this an > added value. > Definitely! Question re another variation thanks. We have a service station nearby that has an attendant during the day, but, he only looks afte

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-29 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
In my area there are still some serviced stations and I consider this an added value. El 29 mar. 2018 18:39, "Philip Barnes" escribió: Although very few mappers will tag self service as it is usually the norm in most places. Phil (trigpoint) On 29 March 2018 15:22:17 BST, "Javier Sánchez Port

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-29 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
2018-03-29 15:22 GMT+01:00 Javier Sánchez Portero : > 2018-03-29 13:14 GMT+01:00 Michal Fabík : > >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Javier Sánchez Portero >> wrote: >> > Sorry, english is not my first languange and I'm not sure of have been >> used >> > the correct word in the subject. I'm loo

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-29 Thread Philip Barnes
Although very few mappers will tag self service as it is usually the norm in most places. Phil (trigpoint) On 29 March 2018 15:22:17 BST, "Javier Sánchez Portero" wrote: >Opsss! There was a mention to it in the Tag:amenity=fuel wiki. I didn't >see >it. Thank you. > >2018-03-29 13:14 GMT+01:00

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-29 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
Opsss! There was a mention to it in the Tag:amenity=fuel wiki. I didn't see it. Thank you. 2018-03-29 13:14 GMT+01:00 Michal Fabík : > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Javier Sánchez Portero > wrote: > > Sorry, english is not my first languange and I'm not sure of have been > used > > the corre

Re: [Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-29 Thread Michal Fabík
On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Javier Sánchez Portero wrote: > Sorry, english is not my first languange and I'm not sure of have been used > the correct word in the subject. I'm looking for a key to denote if you have > to refuel by your self or not. I meant if the station operates on self > se

[Tagging] Attendant on amenity=fuel

2018-03-29 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
Sorry, english is not my first languange and I'm not sure of have been used the correct word in the subject. I'm looking for a key to denote if you have to refuel by your self or not. I meant if the station operates on self service mode. Didn't found nothing in the wiki or taginfo. I'm confused a