Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-14 Thread Warin
On 15-Feb-17 10:04 AM, Viking wrote: I've found this proposal [1] landuse=animal_keeping. It has already 1590 recurrences. Do you think it is applicable? It would be: landuse=animal_keeping animal_keeping=cattle animal_keeping:type=feedlot [1]

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-14 Thread Viking
I've found this proposal [1] landuse=animal_keeping. It has already 1590 recurrences. Do you think it is applicable? It would be: landuse=animal_keeping animal_keeping=cattle animal_keeping:type=feedlot [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping Cheers

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-10 Thread John F. Eldredge
The beef in turn may be used to produce other food products. Since what leaves the feed lot is the living animal, which isn't rendered into beef until it reaches the slaughterhouse, I think produce=cattle or farmland=feedlot are the best solutions. On 02/08/2017 05:48 PM, Dave Swarthout

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-09 Thread Viking
I've read [1], [2] and [3], and for me produce=cattle is ok. Anyway, I've found also this wiki page [4] that proposes farming_system=feedlot. But there are only 9 recurrences [5] of it, and I think that farmland=feedlot is better. So at the end: landuse=farmland farmland=feedlot produce=cattle

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Warin
On 09-Feb-17 11:35 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: The end product is beef or meat. Cattle are just the intermediate step to arriving at something sellable LOL I have no major objection to product=cattle either for that matter. :) produce not product. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:produce

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Dave Swarthout
The end product is beef or meat. Cattle are just the intermediate step to arriving at something sellable LOL I have no major objection to product=cattle either for that matter. On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 09-Feb-17 10:48 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 09-Feb-17 10:48 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about produce=beef? > That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc. > > > Beef .. could be taken as the end product

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Warin
On 09-Feb-17 10:48 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about produce=beef? That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc. Beef .. could be taken as the end product ...after slaughtering? My dictionary says cattle=ruminants of the bovine kind, of

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about produce=beef? > That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc. > Feedlots are just one part of the beef (the meat from the cattle) production process, and

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Tod Fitch
That is a neat [1] idea. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/neat#English > On Feb 8, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about produce=beef? > That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc. > > On Thu,

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Dave Swarthout
Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about produce=beef? That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc. On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:14 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > landuse=farmland > > farmland=feedlot +1, After having researched a bit about this I agree that this appears to be appropriate tagging cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 09-Feb-17 07:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > landuse=farmland > > farmland=feedlot > > produce=cattle (or whatever) + 1 > > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list >

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Warin
On 09-Feb-17 07:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:51, Tod Fitch wrote: I have a hard time accepting "amenity", a term acceptable for park benches, restaurants, etc., being applied to a feedlot. +1 Of the suggestions made so

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:51, Tod Fitch wrote: > > I have a hard time accepting "amenity", a term acceptable for park benches, > restaurants, etc., being applied to a feedlot. > +1 > Of the suggestions made so far, > > landuse=industrial >

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Tod Fitch
I have a hard time accepting "amenity", a term acceptable for park benches, restaurants, etc., being applied to a feedlot. Of the suggestions made so far, landuse=industrial industrial=feedlot (or some other equivalent) makes more sense to me. On February 8, 2017 10:42:12 AM PST, Viking

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-08 Thread Viking
Ok, do you prefer a completely new tag or to add subtags to animal_breeding? In case of a new tag, it could be: amenity=animal_fattening animal_fattening=bovine or what else instead of amenity? In any case we should write a wiki page about this. Cheers Alberto --- Questa e-mail รจ stata

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7 Feb 2017, at 22:20, Viking wrote: > > Animal_breeding was discussed and voted here [1] > Martin, even you approved that proposal, you are the second voter! Didn't you > remember? :-) I didn't remember, sorry. actually, the proposal is ok, it just

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-07 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Viking wrote: > @Mike > 1) Ok, cow is the female only: then bovine would be better? Cattle in > English is a term used for bovines only or for other species too? > "cattle" is the correct term[1]. I was mistaken in my original email, "bovine" is

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-07 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Viking wrote: > Animal_breeding was discussed and voted here [1] > Nevertheless, in my opinion, it is not appropriate in this application because the purpose of a feedlot is not to breed the animals, but rather to fatten them for market.

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-07 Thread Viking
Animal_breeding was discussed and voted here [1] Martin, even you approved that proposal, you are the second voter! Didn't you remember? :-) It was also discussed on tagging mailing list here [2] 189 tags are not few for a type of structure that almost nobody maps. Man_made=cowshed doesn't

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-07 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Viking wrote: > Hi. > To be consistent with the approved and already used tags > amenity=animal_breeding [1], amenity=animal_shelter [2] and > amenity=animal_boarding [3], what do you think about: > > amenity=animal_breeding >

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7 Feb 2017, at 15:41, Viking wrote: > > To be consistent with the approved and already used tags > amenity=animal_breeding [1], amenity=animal_shelter [2] and > amenity=animal_boarding [3], what do you think about: > > amenity=animal_breeding >

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-07 Thread Viking
Hi. To be consistent with the approved and already used tags amenity=animal_breeding [1], amenity=animal_shelter [2] and amenity=animal_boarding [3], what do you think about: amenity=animal_breeding animal_breeding:feedlot=cow OR animal_breeding:concentrated_animal_feeding_operation=cow It

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-06 Thread Warin
Farmyards is wrong - this is for the support areas rather than the actual farm ... while the wiki mentions 'feed bunkers' that is for the storage of feed rather than the feeding. I see it as a farm .. just like cattle being on a pasture is a farm, the method of feeding has changed but the use

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-06 Thread Kevin Kenny
It's rare (only 9 uses), but the Wiki also shows farming_system=feedlot as a possibilty, On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > I would almost prefer landuse=industrial. To call such places farmyards is > IMO a bit too generous. They are industrial in a

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-06 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > @Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation >

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-06 Thread Dave Swarthout
I would almost prefer landuse=industrial. To call such places farmyards is IMO a bit too generous. They are industrial in a certain sense, akin to factories that produce meat. I started out writing this half jokingly but the longer I think about it the more logical it seems. Cheers, Dave On Tue,

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
@Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation @Tod crop=feed_lot does not seem right. Picking up Martin's proposal, what about: landuse=farmyard AND farmyard=feedlot OR

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-06 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > 2017-02-06 12:32 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt >: > Hadn't done my homework: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation >

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-02-06 12:32 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt : > Hadn't done my homework: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation > Can't find any tagged examples though. Suggestions? looks like a typical landuse=farmyard (non-bio / organic / in other words:

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
Hadn't done my homework: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation Can't find any tagged examples though. Suggestions? On 6 February 2017 at 12:02, Dave Swarthout wrote: > We Americans call them feedlots although there may be other terms. These

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-06 Thread Dave Swarthout
We Americans call them feedlots although there may be other terms. These are arguably awful places but the stink is intense, on that we can all agree. On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > In Texas I have encountered several large beef fattening stations

Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

2017-02-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
In Texas I have encountered several large beef fattening stations (I don't know the correct term) where beef are fed in enclosures to get them ready for slaughter. One of these can be seen here: