Yeah this sounds great in theory, but in reality it's not that simple.
That's probably also why there so far is no tag for money changer
machine(!) so far (at least I did not find anything)
It's possible a device could both be an ATM as commonly understood, and a
bitcoin currency exchange
Am 6/10/14 12:02 , schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
I understand that atm can be seen as broadly as incorporating all kind
of automated telling even in the absence of actually emitting cash, but
I would prefer to use a different tag for this and use atm for machines
that actually do give you cash.
2014-06-09 22:12 GMT+02:00 nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com:
Should we tag flat areas as natural=peak ele=0 and then tell the
renderer not to render it as a mountain?
No, because that's not a peak.
Should we tag deserts as water=lake and type=dry to tell the renderer
to render it
2014-06-10 11:36 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com:
Well, it does give you money. Just not paper money.
thing is, it doesn't give you cash. What kind of cash machine is this,
that doesn't give you cash?
What if it gave you paper money for Bitcoins? Would it be an ATM then?
On 09/06/2014 22:12, nounours77 wrote:
Go out and ask hundred people on the street what a ATM is - and
everybody will answer you the same thing. [..]
ATM = Automatic Teller Machine... An electronic telecommunications
device that enables the customers of a financial institution to perform
2014-06-10 11:44 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org:
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Teller_Machine)
So an ATM that manages Bitcoin transactions is most definitely amenity=atm.
wikipedia is not the Bible nor the Coran, it is obvious that there are some
flaws in this
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:36 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:
What if it gave you paper money for Bitcoins? Would it be an ATM then? What
if there's a shop that only works with bitcoins? Is it a shop?
An ATM isn't a machine that gives you paper money, the term is broader than
that.
Maybe we could use a broader term that includes ATMs, like financial_kiosk
or money_kiosk. I'm not saying we should deprecate amenity=atm, I'm saying
amenity=financial_kiosk could be an umbrella term.
amenity=financial_kiosk + cash_out:EUR=yes would be a classical ATM that
dispenses Euros. Second
2014-06-10 12:51 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com:
Maybe we could use a broader term that includes ATMs, like financial_kiosk
or money_kiosk. I'm not saying we should deprecate amenity=atm, I'm saying
amenity=financial_kiosk could be an umbrella term.
amenity=financial_kiosk +
2014-06-10 12:35 GMT+02:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com:
2. The bitcoin community has generally been skirting the rules
Bitcoin mappers have been doing everything from copying other maps
outright (violating copyright), to geocoding against Google and then
placing that in OSM
Am 10.06.2014 12:35, schrieb Serge Wroclawski:
Bitcoin mappers have been doing everything from copying other maps
outright (violating copyright), to geocoding against Google and then
placing that in OSM (violating copyright) to geocoding against
nominatim and then using that (really bad
I agree, introducing weird term instead of something obvious and widely used is
bad idea.
Especially doing this to keep happy small group of inexperienced editors.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 05:40:01 -0700 Martin Koppenhoefer
lt;dieterdre...@gmail.comgt; wrote
2014-06-10 12:51 GMT+02:00
2014-06-10 14:40 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
I don't think we should broaden the term and retag all atms we already
collected with then 2 instead of 1 tag, instead we should invent new tags
for stuff that is new.
Then we agree, because I said practically the same
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-06-09 13:58 GMT+02:00 Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de:
AFAIK most Bitcoin ATMs right now take real money and convert it to
Bitcoins. Some can take Bitcoins and convert them to real money and give it
to you. So I'm
2014-06-10 19:28 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com:
The *bitcoin* device is a *currency exchange terminal.*
Classic ATMs are also currency exchange terminals. If you have a bank
account in one currency, and you dispense cash in a country with other
currency, it exchanges them at
On 06/10/2014 01:28 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
The *bitcoin* device is a *currency exchange terminal.*
It's not an ATM at 99% of the world understands that term. An ATM is a
device for interacting with a pre-established deposit account, perhaps
though an interbank network. These are different
On 10 June 2014 12:51, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe we could use a broader term that includes ATMs, like financial_kiosk
or money_kiosk. I'm not saying we should deprecate amenity=atm, I'm saying
amenity=financial_kiosk could be an umbrella term.
To me those terms are too
Hi
I don't know if this would be a good idea. Of course it would be the
correct tagging, but on the other hand the typical interpretation of
amenity=atm is, that you get real money. As this fact is kind of
default, it is never tagged. AFAIK bitcoin-atm only handle bitcoins, so
it could lead to
2014-06-09 13:58 GMT+02:00 Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de:
I don't know if this would be a good idea. Of course it would be the
correct tagging, but on the other hand the typical interpretation of
amenity=atm is, that you get real money. As this fact is kind of
default, it is never tagged.
2014-06-09 13:58 GMT+02:00 Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de:
Hi
I don't know if this would be a good idea. Of course it would be the
correct tagging, but on the other hand the typical interpretation of
amenity=atm is, that you get real money. As this fact is kind of
default, it is never
Maybe create a new tag that tells if the ATM is connected to the interbank
network[1] which makes an ATM a classical ATM. For example
interbank_network=yes, or interbank_network=ATH, or whichever interbank
network an ATM is connected to. Maybe there are some ATMs that only take
their own cards,
Maybe we should move towards a scheme more specific about accepted
currencies :
currency:in:USD=yes
currency:out:BTC=yes
For a one-way Bitcoin ATM dispensing BTC in exchange of USD, for example.
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe create a new tag that
Janko wrote:
We only have to insist on the tag cash_out=no, and then tell renderers to
not render amenity=atm+cash_out=no.
Sorry Janko, this is pure no-sense.
Should we tag flat areas as natural=peak ele=0 and then tell the renderer
not to render it as a mountain?
Should we tag deserts as
Just found a discussion about Coinmap and OpenStreetMap on /r/Bitcoin
http://redd.it/27dam9 and saw that a lot of pages now also list Bitcoin
ATMs, but so far there is nothing about it on the Wiki.
The obvious tags would be:
amenity=atm
currency:XBT=yes
Would there be anything wrong with
There are several functions a Bitcoin ATM can do. Right now, most of them
can only take fiat, exchange it for BTC and put them on some address. Maybe
some could take BTC and dispense fiat. Others could maybe send BTC from one
address to the other. I think we should add those functions to the wiki.
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