Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-05-17 Thread Valor Naram
The voting process ended with 13 votes. This proposal has been rejected with 9 voices approval and 4 voices denial. While there are more yes than no votes, the amount of approval votes are under the 74% mark. Original Message Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-30 Thread Valor Naram
Did it.See http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing tableFrom: bkil To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: I recommend that we rename the proposal to the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-29 Thread bkil
the knowleadge to > implement it in OSM. But we didn't go further so we agreed on > "changing_table" without the "baby" prefix. > > > ---- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table > From: Martin Koppenhoefer

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-29 Thread Valor Naram
> and that’s why the page is called “baby changing table”?Because someone noted that there exist changing tables for adults. But they're not widespread nor specified enough. No one has the knowleadge to implement it in OSM. But we didn't go further so we agreed on "changing_table" without the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Apr 2019, at 14:24, Valor Naram wrote: > > where I explain there's no doubt of using "changing table" because it means > what it means without confusion. and that’s why the page is called “baby changing table”? Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-29 Thread Valor Naram
I will put an end to the discussion of the chosen name and will just link to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/baby_changing_tables#Statement_from_the_author where I explain there's no doubt of using "changing table" because it means what it means without

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-28 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 09:20, bkil wrote: > > Our word for changing_table=* is something like "diaper changer > [place]" ("pelenkázó") or more like "a place where you change > diapers", the word itself weakly implicates a separate room, although > this should not cause confusion. Interestingly,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-28 Thread bkil
As a non-native speaker, I did need to look up bureau_de_change before first using it back then, but it does not cause confusion for me anymore. The most common word in Hungarian for this is "money exchanger"/"money exchange" ("pénzváltó"/"pénzváltás"), and the clerks usually sit at a desk behind

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-26 Thread Valor Naram
(with or without any reason) and I won't start the voting.> > > Cheers> > Sören alias Valor Naram> > > Original Message > Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table> From: Valor Naram> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org> CC:> &

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Apr 2019, at 11:52, Michael Brandtner via Tagging > wrote: > > I’m against the tag baby_changing_table. As I have already written, > changing_table is unambiguous and the most common word for this thing. No > need for such a long key. I’m not insisting, but I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-26 Thread Michael Brandtner via Tagging
I’m against the tag baby_changing_table. As I have already written, changing_table is unambiguous and the most common word for this thing. No need for such a long key. Am Donnerstag, April 25, 2019, 10:52 PM schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : sent from a phone > On 22. Apr 2019, at 01:49, marc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-26 Thread Valor Naram
gt; > > Cheers> > Sören alias Valor Naram> > > Original Message > Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table> From: Valor Naram> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org> CC:> > > *Definition:* A tag to mark the possibility t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-25 Thread marc marc
Le 25.04.19 à 22:52, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > I don’t mind encouraging or not a description, as long as it is in the wiki > alone it won’t change anything for those who read the wiki, I think the tags listed there have an influence, it's supposed to be the ones someone has expressed an

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Apr 2019, at 01:49, marc marc wrote: > > I know the tag description, thanks :) > the question is "can we expect to have changing tables on a regular > basis that are different from what we can expect with other tags, > which would justify encouraging people to put

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-25 Thread Valor Naram
There's no discussion concerning the proposal of "baby changing table" anymore. What's happening? Should I start the voting process? Are all words said?Answer "no" (with or without any reason) and I won't start the voting.CheersSören alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-22 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:47 AM Valor Naram wrote: > I need to clarify the access=* key for my proposal to pleace this discussion. > > changing_table:access=yes > The changing table is accessible to the public. This means you can change the > nappy of your baby without being a customer. This

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-22 Thread Michael Brandtner via Tagging
I don' think we should use no, but private. But as others have stated, I can't really think of a changing table that should be mapped in osm but isn't accessible even for customers.  But us this really a point we need to discuss? Can't we just say that changing_table:access should be used with

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-22 Thread Valor Naram
It could be added to the "features" key as "adjustable_height" value. Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing tableFrom: bkil To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: To aid those with achondroplasia, I think it would also be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-22 Thread bkil
To aid those with achondroplasia, I think it would also be useful to indicate whether adjustable_height is a feature of the table, though I guess they are already prepared to use the floor anyway. On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 2:22 PM Paul Allen wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 00:50, marc marc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-22 Thread Valor Naram
I need to clarify the access=* key for my proposal to pleace this discussion.changing_table:access=yesThe changing table is accessible to the public. This means you can change the nappy of your baby without being a customer. This happens rarely.changing_table:access=noThe changing table isn't also

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-22 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 00:50, marc marc wrote: > > if the goal is to talk about accessibility, then use the wheelchair tag. > That just says if you can get a wheelchair into the toilet. but if by measuring the height of the table, you think you have done > what it's need to inform

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-22 Thread bkil
height=* was my fault, but I don't feel strongly about it, you may remove it then. "straps" and "tilting" could still go under the list of *:feature=*, though, that's a good idea. toilet vs. room vs. dedicated_room: How do you map a changing table that is found inside a small "toilets"

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-22 Thread Warin
On 22/04/19 09:49, marc marc wrote: Le 22.04.19 à 00:39, Paul Allen a écrit : On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 22:56, marc marc wrote: however I wonder if it's useful to promote changing_table:height is there really any use for this tag ? A parent in a wheelchair might find that useful

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-22 Thread Valor Naram
+1 I agree with Paul Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing tableFrom: Paul Allen To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 22:56, marc marc wrote: however I wonder if it's useful

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-22 Thread Warin
On 22/04/19 00:48, Paul Allen wrote: On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 15:43, Joseph Eisenberg mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote: "Changing table" is also the term that makes sense to me as a speaker of American English. The only possible ambiguity is if it is located in a temple.  It

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread marc marc
Le 22.04.19 à 00:39, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 22:56, marc marc wrote: > > however I wonder if it's useful to promote changing_table:height > is there really any use for this tag ? > > A parent in a wheelchair might find that useful information, if the goal is to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 08:40, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 22:56, marc marc wrote: > >> >> however I wonder if it's useful to promote changing_table:height >> is there really any use for this tag ? > > > A parent in a wheelchair might find that useful information, although it >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 22:56, marc marc wrote: > > however I wonder if it's useful to promote changing_table:height > is there really any use for this tag ? A parent in a wheelchair might find that useful information, although it would only influence a decision if there were similar facilities

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread marc marc
Hello, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/baby_changing_tables First of all, thank you for writing the proposal. however I wonder if it's useful to promote changing_table:height is there really any use for this tag ? I didn't find this kind of information in the current

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread Michael Brandtner via Tagging
Even if there is an extra room, there will be a changing table in it. and the bench is a substitute for a changing table. So I don't find this tag limiting. Of course there will be also a bin and a washing basin in such a room. But the table is the most important feature, similar to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread Valor Naram
The name of the key has been changed to "changing_table" On Sat, 2019-04-20 at 17:12 +0200, Valor Naram wrote: > Definition: A tag to mark the possibility to change the baby's nappy  > Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ > baby_changing_tables > > Please join the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread Valor Naram
> Here are some alternatives, do share your concerns with each:: )1) I am not on the same opinion concerning the name "nappy_changing" or something like nappy:1.1. We've had heard about changing tables for adults hence the name "baby_changing_table" in order to distinguish between changing tables

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 16:58, Rory McCann wrote: > > (And as a native (Hiberno) English speaker, "baby changing" sounds fine > for changing a baby's nappy, not changing the baby for another baby! :P ) > Changing a baby for a different baby would be silly. However, if I were given the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread Rory McCann
This would certainly be a little more obvious than the existing `diaper` tag. The current proposal is baby_changing_table=*, but the common values for diaper=* include things like diaper=room, diaper=table, diaper=bench, so I think limiting this tag to just tables is bad. May I suggest

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 15:43, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > "Changing table" is also the term that makes sense to me as a speaker > of American English. > The only possible ambiguity is if it is located in a temple. It could belong to the money changers. -- Paul

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
"Changing table" is also the term that makes sense to me as a speaker of American English. As a parent I would appreciate knowing if there is a table where I can place my infant child while changing their diaper ("nappy"); otherwise I need to use my lap or the floor in the bathroom. While I have

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread Michael Brandtner via Tagging
 changing_table seems to be the most common term so we should use it. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/changing%20tablehttps://www.dictionary.com/browse/changing-table   Gesendet von Yahoo Mail für iPad Am Sonntag, April 21, 2019, 9:12 AM schrieb bkil : Here are some

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-21 Thread bkil
Here are some alternatives, do share your concerns with each: nappy_changing=* nappy_changing_place=* nappy_changing_table=* nappy_changing_room=* ... same with _change_ in place of _changing_ Some I do not like as much: changing_table=* change_table=* baby_table=* diaper=* diaper_table=*

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-20 Thread Warin
+1 for starting it. Think the name could be better .. sounds like a baby exchange :) On 21/04/19 04:59, bkil wrote: Thank you for taking the time to complete this nice write up. I obviously support the proposed scheme. ;-) I don't have strong feelings about the exact naming of the used key,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-20 Thread bkil
Thank you for taking the time to complete this nice write up. I obviously support the proposed scheme. ;-) I don't have strong feelings about the exact naming of the used key, as I mentioned previously. On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 5:14 PM Valor Naram wrote: > *Definition:* A tag to mark the

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Baby changing table

2019-04-20 Thread Valor Naram
Definition: A tag to mark the possibility to change the baby's nappy  Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ba by_changing_tables Please join the discussion and I will spend time to make changes. Cheerio Sören alias Valor Naram