Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 09.09.2012 um 21:06 schrieb Dave Sutter sut...@intransix.com: Here it is easy enough to label a room and a building. What is the way for labeling this as a part of Stanford University? Like in your shopping mall example you would likely draw a polygon around it and tag it

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
2012/9/7 Dave Sutter sut...@intransix.com I was thinking of using the ref tag as the publicly used term for the entity. For example, there is a bus route 110 for SamTrans (San Mateo county, California). I imagine the ref for this route is 110. There could be some added information to specify

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-09 Thread Dave Sutter
I would like to continue this discussion under a new subject related to the ref tag and external databases, but I am not sure how to do that. I think it would be great using existing tags to fully label the reference. I am interested specifically in using an external database for data appearing

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
How do we address durations[1] of ferry lines? It can't be tagged on the way, because different ferry lines have different speeds. And you can't put it on the relation, because one relation can represent several different trips, from island to island. Is the solution to make a separate relation

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/7 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: How do we address durations[1] of ferry lines? It can't be tagged on the way, because different ferry lines have different speeds. And you can't put it on the relation, because one relation can represent several different trips, from island to island.

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
2012/9/7 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com IMHO you can tag this either on the ferry lines (ways) or on the relations, but if you do it you will have to have a distinct object for each line / all lines that share the same properties, i.e. you might have to add more objects

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread John Sturdy
There may be more than one duration of trip on the same route --- for example, conventional ferries and fast catamarans / hydrofoils sharing a route. (Fishguard --- Rosslare used to do this, for example.) __John ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread Philip Barnes
In that case they go to different terminals. Duration is often longer at night on some crossings to allow passengers time to sleep. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 07/09/2012 14:00 John Sturdy wrote: There may be more than one duration of trip on the same route --- for example,

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 07/set/2012 um 14:50 schrieb Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: If we have a case of one boat going across a river, it should be one line, one set of tags. But here on the Croatian coast, things are a bit more complicated than that. Lines even have different variations that are used on

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread Dave Sutter
I am fairly new to OSM so I apologize for my inexperience with it. Some information like ferry schedules seems like it would be more easily managed in a different database. To take a step back, the obvious example of external databases tied to a map is businesses. It would be nice to have a

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/7 Dave Sutter sut...@intransix.com: easily managed in a different database. To take a step back, the obvious example of external databases tied to a map is businesses. It would be nice to have a database of businesses. +1, e.g. to link from osm to it (hopefully would leave no room for

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread Dave Sutter
I was thinking of using the ref tag as the publicly used term for the entity. For example, there is a bus route 110 for SamTrans (San Mateo county, California). I imagine the ref for this route is 110. There could be some added information to specify this is a bus route for SamTrans, as opposed to

[Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
I have seen that most of the ferry lines are drawn as ways, each one representing a public transport line. They have a route=ferry tag, motorcar=* and so on. But if you have several lines and several different types of one line (on Fridays it doesn't stop on this island), you will have to draw a

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Felix Hartmann
I think both should be supported. For simple lines, e.g. crossing a river. not using relations should be good enough. For more complex routes, especially on the sea, relations are better suited. On 05.09.2012 13:07, Janko Mihelic' wrote: I have seen that most of the ferry lines are drawn as

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Felix Hartmann extremecar...@gmail.com wrote: I think both should be supported. For simple lines, e.g. crossing a river. not using relations should be good enough. For more complex routes, especially on the sea, relations are better suited. I think ferry/sea

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
Now that I think of it, there is a third solution, and it is maybe even better than relations. Routes that share a similar seaway can share points and appear as a single way. That way users don't have to mess with relations, and the map is clean. Janko

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Philip Barnes
Are relations supported by OSRM and other routers? On traditional maps ferrys are drawn as a single line for each route, if merged into a single way, how does the user viewing OSM on a screen work out where a ferry goes to and from? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 05/09/2012 12:58 Janko

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
2012/9/5 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk Are relations supported by OSRM and other routers? On traditional maps ferrys are drawn as a single line for each route, if merged into a single way, how does the user viewing OSM on a screen work out where a ferry goes to and from? Ferry

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
I opened an issue on OSRM-s Github page: https://github.com/DennisOSRM/Project-OSRM/issues/402 Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread sabas88
This discussion already took place some months ago.. Since then I saw a lot of changes after I edited initially some Italian lines.. 2012/9/5 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com I opened an issue on OSRM-s Github page: https://github.com/DennisOSRM/Project-OSRM/issues/402

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/5 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: Now that I think of it, there is a third solution, and it is maybe even better than relations. Routes that share a similar seaway can share points and appear as a single way. That way users don't have to mess with relations, and the map is clean. -1

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread André Pirard
Nice howto example is Piraeus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.9391lon=23.62165zoom=16 A single way through the harbor entrance (strait?), splitting both inside and outside. Couldn't find anything such in reputed high sea traffic NY. But yes, they have source=Bing ferries over there!!!

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com wrote: Nice howto example is Piraeus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.9391lon=23.62165zoom=16 A single way through the harbor entrance (strait?), splitting both inside and outside. Couldn't find anything such in reputed

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-05 21:56,  Toby Murray wrote : On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com wrote: ... in reputed high sea traffic NY. But yes, they have source=Bing ferries [ways] over there!!! Must be Bing Road ;-) BTW, is Bing