Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
18. Sep 2018 22:58 by yuriastrak...@gmail.com : > Would copying short description strings be considered fair use depends on usage of data and your jurisdiction (in other words: legal quagmire not solving anything at all)   > or even re-licensable under

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Are you sure that other data that will be imported from OSM database and OSM Wikiis not covered by copyright, data protection restrictions etc? 18. Sep 2018 18:43 by yuriastrak...@gmail.com : > Peter, I agree it would be much easier to use OSM metadata under

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Are you aware that it would make impossible to import any data incompatible with CC0? For start, import data from existing OSM Wiki would not be able to happen. 18. Sep 2018 18:37 by pe...@openstreetmap.com.br : > Hi, veri good news! > About license, can by

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Simon Poole
While there is a concept of "fair use" in UK copyright law, it has essentially nothing to do with the US concept of the same name and in general is a solution to nothing in an OSM context. Figuring out how CC BY-SA 2.0 (a licence for classical creative works) would apply to a systematic

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Simon, at this point, there only content of the Item namespace are short key descriptions and a few "facts" (like the status of the proposal and the type of objects it applies to). The linked images are licensed under their own terms. Would copying short description strings be considered fair

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Simon Poole
a) all of the relevant wiki content is licensed CC BY-SA 2.0, I don't see any remotely practical way to re-licence the contents at this point in time b) if something is (actually) licensed on CC0 terms (and not pretend CC0) the creator of the work has rescinded all rights in it (as far as

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Sure, we could experiment with storing "preset id" in the OSM features, e.g. preset_id=Q12345 would imply that this feature should have `leisure=pitch+sport=soccer+surface=grass`. Also, in some cases it might even be possible to have multiple presets for the same feature. I don't think we should

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
uto, 18. ruj 2018. u 20:13 Yuri Astrakhan napisao je: > I am not sure I understood about the key+value property. Are you asking > for a new string property to store "key=value" of the current tag? But > that's already being stored as a sitelink (shown in the upper right corner). > That

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I am hoping that we will start making templates that use that data directly soon, so that banner might cause more confusion than solve it. I think we can make some generic banner for the given namespace using MediaWiki pages. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 6:12 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Janko, this is an awesome idea! We could use it for templates - e.g. iD editor could show a list of these, and selecting one would pre-populate it. The combination would contain both keys (e.g. something that user would need to type in), and tags (key=specific value). It would be a bit more

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
This is wonderful news! I hope this will soon become the new principal tag database to get semantic meaning out of OSM tags. Thank you to all involved! And now a few questions: Why isn't there key+value as a property? The Q888 (bridge:movable=bascule) should have a property "Tag" which has the

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread peterkrauss
Em 2018-09-18 14:08, Yuri Astrakhan escreveu: Peter, just to set the right expectations: the licensing initiative would ONLY affect the metadata, not the actual OSM data. Yes, to vote only this little improvement, metadata with CC0 instead CC-BY-SA. Only metadata, no geometry: only data of

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Peter, just to set the right expectations: the licensing initiative would ONLY affect the metadata, not the actual OSM data. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:57 PM peterkrauss wrote: > Thanks Yuri, > ... and Hello community! Lets vote? > How to start a formal and democratic process for it? > > PS:

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread peterkrauss
Thanks Yuri, ... and Hello community! Lets vote? How to start a formal and democratic process for it? PS: will be the biggest improvement of 2018, waving with structured data and CC0 for government adoption of the OSM! Em 2018-09-18 13:43, Yuri Astrakhan escreveu: Peter, I agree it would

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Peter, I agree it would be much easier to use OSM metadata under CC0, and I might even be able to change the interface to show CC0 for the Item namespace, but we may have to rewrite all of the description text. If the community is OK with that undertaking (or if a short one sentence description

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread peterkrauss
Hi, veri good news! About license, can by changed to CC0 as Wikidata? It very important in structured data and data-interchange to use CC0... We are using Wikidata with government applications because is CC0: we can copy/paste wikidata information to a table and publish the table with the

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 18.09.2018 11:43, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > Key:bridge:movable:    https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q104 Could you make a banner across the top of that page that clarifies that this is just a copy of information found elsewhere, and that changing the content of Q104 will not change

[Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Cross-posting to tagging as this new effort should help tagging and metadata management the most. Osmaritans, as of today, OSM Wiki can store structured tag metadata similar to Wikidata. In every possible language, cross-linked, with images, validation rules, or anything else the community