Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/05/2015 11:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 19.05.2015 um 01:47 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt : How about if first edits caused some sort of flag that experienced users see, and can welcome and thank the new user for registering and contributing. This is possible now, but not really part of th

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 19.05.2015 um 01:47 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt : > > How about if first edits caused some sort of flag that experienced users see, > and can welcome and thank the new user > for registering and contributing. This is possible now, but not really part > of the standard tool set and definitely

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 19/05/2015, Simon Poole wrote: > On 19. Mai 2015 03:18:14 MESZ, johnw wrote: > >> >>there’s no preset “I want to add a business” or “I want to add a park” >>tutorials that walk through the basics and hold your hand, bring up >>options and ask you natural language questions to help you lea

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread pmailkeey .
On 19 May 2015 at 02:18, johnw wrote: > > On May 19, 2015, at 2:24 AM, Clifford Snow > wrote: > > You might ask, so what is keeping people from editing? > > > > We don’t need to speculate. It’s easy to understand what is holding people > back. > > It’s the same thing that hold people back from r

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread Simon Poole
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 We don't have access to non - editing accounts, speculating on the composition of them is just that. We do know that not all of the roughly 1.5 million are spammers, See my two recent diary posts for more, On 19. Mai 2015 04:55:30 MESZ, Bryce Nesb

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread Simon Poole
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 19. Mai 2015 03:18:14 MESZ, johnw wrote: > >there’s no preset “I want to add a business” or “I want to add a park” >tutorials that walk through the basics and hold your hand, bring up >options and ask you natural language questions to help

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
johnw wrote: > As far as I can tell, the differences between novices like me and more > power users is a) using JSOM or similar, and b) using relations. that > is an insanely high bar to jump over. I'll let you into another secret. Of the 5% of mappers doing 95% of the work... most are not do

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > I invite each user to join our Meetup Group and invite them to contact me > if they have any questions. The response rate is low. A survey could help > us identify why they joined, how they want to use OSM and what special > interests they

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: >> >> This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of work. >> So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make their >> life easier, than to cat

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread johnw
> On May 19, 2015, at 2:24 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > You might ask, so what is keeping people from editing? We don’t need to speculate. It’s easy to understand what is holding people back. It’s the same thing that hold people back from replacing the brakes on their car - there is a lot of

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Let's use human power, not spam power. > > How about if first edits caused some sort of flag that experienced users > see, and can welcome and thank the new user > for registering and contributing. This is possible now, but not really > par

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > In the last week,11-May to 17-May, OSM increased the number of users [1] > by 10,700. Think of the results if each of those new users were to add just > one edit a week. You might ask, so what is keeping people from editing? We > could spe

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread pmailkeey .
On 18 May 2015 at 18:24, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > >> This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of >> work. So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make >> their life easier, than to cater to th

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of work. > So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make their > life easier, than to cater to the 95%. I find the proposition that we find ways to eng

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of work. So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make their life easier, than to cater to the 95%. http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68097488 Janko ned, 17. svi 2015. 07:43 M

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-16 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > I did wonder about the statement "... about 500 users in the core group of > the OSM are highly networked in terms of collaboration." I wonder about that too. Someone compiled a list of the most active users on OSM lately and published it

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

2015-05-16 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: > My "long tail" intuition are now supported by a scientific study called > "Characterizing the Heterogeneity of the OpenStreetMap Data and Community", > and we know even how much advanced users are there! The abstract says: > > "All three aspect