Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 apr 2016, alle ore 23:05, François Lacombe > ha scritto: > > But the question will remain : is the support a mast or a tower ? or yet something different. (e.g. descriptive: support:structure=lattice support:material=steel ...)

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

2016-04-18 22:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > yes, maybe it wasn't clear, I didn't propose to tag the support as antenna, > but to focus on the antenna as a feature and optionally add the kind of > support as a property to the antenna. Ok didn't get it that way

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 apr 2016, alle ore 22:03, François Lacombe > ha scritto: > > 2016-04-18 19:41 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : >> so for these antenna supports I think I'd use man_made=antenna and maybe >> some subtag to

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

Hi Martin, 2016-04-18 19:41 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : >so for these antenna supports I think I'd use man_made=antenna and maybe some >subtag to specify the kind of support if you want to man_made=antenna should be kept for antennas, not their supports. There are

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

yes, we should not tag everything that is called tower in natural language (like those antennas) as man_made=tower (e.g. these: http://www.zeropage.de/misc/sell/at-tower.jpg or these: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Power_Tower_(1).jpg or these:

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 18 apr 2016, alle ore 04:39, John Eldredge >> ha scritto: >> >> The 808-foot antenna for radio station WSM fits both the tower and mast >> descriptions we are using. >>

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

+1 Mast On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > Il giorno 18 apr 2016, alle ore 07:45, Georg Feddern < > o...@bavarianmallet.de> ha scritto: > > Said this, the fire observation 'towers' came into my mind: > Walking around

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 apr 2016, alle ore 07:45, Georg Feddern > ha scritto: > > Said this, the fire observation 'towers' came into my mind: > Walking around a single pole mast structure: >

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 apr 2016, alle ore 04:39, John Eldredge ha > scritto: > > The 808-foot antenna for radio station WSM fits both the tower and mast > descriptions we are using. >

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

The 808-foot antenna for radio station WSM fits both the tower and mast descriptions we are using. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

sent from a phone > Il giorno 17 apr 2016, alle ore 11:45, François Lacombe > ha scritto: > > This may be right but is this usable in osm ? > Same patterns are often seen when we try to map same-context objects on same > nodes (antennas, buildings...) > there's

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

Hi Warin Le 17 avr. 2016 12:55 AM, "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > layer=o, tower > > layer=1, mast. This may be right but is this usable in osm ? Same patterns are often seen when we try to map same-context objects on same nodes (antennas, buildings...) > Some 'masts' have

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

On 16/04/2016 10:39 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 16 apr 2016, alle ore 10:11, Dave Swarthout ha scritto: But the second is more difficult. It exhibits the main characteristics of a mast but it has some sort of accommodation near the

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

sent from a phone > Il giorno 16 apr 2016, alle ore 09:02, Marc Zoutendijk > ha scritto: > > > A tower is built on the spot where you see it. But a mast is very often > constructed elsewhere and simply erected on the spot where you see it, > although I’m not sure

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

sent from a phone > Il giorno 16 apr 2016, alle ore 10:11, Dave Swarthout > ha scritto: > > But the second is more difficult. It exhibits the main characteristics of a > mast but it has some sort of accommodation near the top, which might persuade > me to tag it as

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

Sent from a phone. Hi guys, May you consider things equivalent to differences made between street cabinets and buildings ? When human can go inside, it's a building, when we can't it's a cabinet. Towers with legs usually have platforms (lighter than accommodations) where technicians (or

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

Ah, Martin, those are wonderful examples you supplied. I agree with your statement about the first example; that structure is most certainly a mast, not a tower. But the second is more difficult. It exhibits the main characteristics of a mast but it has some sort of accommodation near the top,

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

> Op 16 apr. 2016, om 08:27 heeft Martin Koppenhoefer > het volgende geschreven: > > but in these cases there would typically be a room in the tower, i.e. the > pole is there to support something on top, or is big and hollow and > accessible in the inside. > > this

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sent from a phone > Il giorno 16 apr 2016, alle ore 00:23, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha > scritto: > > The contention comes from 'common use' of the word 'tower' to refer to things > that are a single pole (mast). but in these cases there would typically be a room in the tower, i.e.

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

>If there clearly was a difference in meaning or better if there was a clear difference in meaning we wouldn't have the discussion. I got confused myself in the past when trying to find the right tag. There is a clear difference in meaning: The word mast derives from Old English and German and

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

On 16/04/2016 3:21 AM, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 15/04/2016 17:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: do you agree to use tower for communication towers? Yes. My suggestions relate to the form of the structures, not their usage. Those would be defined by secondary tags.

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

On 15/04/2016 17:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: do you agree to use tower for communication towers? Yes. My suggestions relate to the form of the structures, not their usage. Those would be defined by secondary tags. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

Am 15.04.2016 um 17:43 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: there's clearly a difference in meaning (the words are not synonymous), so why would we want to remove this distinction? If there clearly was a difference in meaning or better if there was a clear difference in meaning we wouldn't have the

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

sent from a phone > Il giorno 15 apr 2016, alle ore 13:53, Malcolm Herring > ha scritto: > > The whole point of my definitions is to *NOT* use the word "tower" for > communications masts do you agree to use tower for communication towers? cheers, Martin

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sent from a phone > Il giorno 15 apr 2016, alle ore 17:26, Tobias Wrede ha > scritto: > > > So what's the point in distinguishing mast from tower at all? there's clearly a difference in meaning (the words are not synonymous), so why would we want to remove this

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

Maybe before discussing if some structure is better named tower or mast you/we should reflect why we should make a distinction at all: Is the difference whether... 1) the structure is free-standing or not? 2) the structure has one contact point to the ground or several? 3) there are

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

You want to retag communication towers that are identical in structure to the power towers on the Wiki page as masts? I would disagree totally with that idea. A mast does not have legs in common American usage. Is that your thrust or do you have another term in mind? On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 6:53

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

On 15/04/2016 12:39, Dave Swarthout wrote: I think you had better make the requirements for tower less strict. The whole point of my definitions is to *NOT* use the word "tower" for communications masts. I am trying to resolve the ambiguity by choosing one in preference to the other, even

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

I think you had better make the requirements for tower less strict. Most of what I consider radio towers have no accommodation in them. It's the shape and structure of the tower that makes the difference. Here is the wiki page concerning towers: