Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-26 Thread Arlindo Pereira
This is even worse in countries with languages that have diactrics. Here in Brazil it's very common to have street names with signposts such as "Jose Street" and "José Street", and you could never tell for sure which one is "right". Cheers, Arlindo Pereira On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 6:09 AM, Martin

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 20/giu/2014 um 16:19 schrieb fly : > > Do not think multi-values in names are practical in any way. I was only referring to exotic tags like signposted_name cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openst

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-20 Thread fly
Am 20.06.2014 11:09, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > 2014-06-20 0:56 GMT+02:00 Serge Wroclawski >: > > Of course I could bring up the fact that FDR Drive in NYC is spelled > FDR Drive and F.D.R. Drive, and F D R Drive, depending on which sign > you look at

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-06-20 0:56 GMT+02:00 Serge Wroclawski : > Of course I could bring up the fact that FDR Drive in NYC is spelled > FDR Drive and F.D.R. Drive, and F D R Drive, depending on which sign > you look at. :) > yes, actually it is more common than one would expect, to have different spellings on di

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-19 Thread Serge Wroclawski
> But I like the idea of having a key for the signposted spelling available. Of course I could bring up the fact that FDR Drive in NYC is spelled FDR Drive and F.D.R. Drive, and F D R Drive, depending on which sign you look at. :) - Serge ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-19 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 19.06.2014 16:59, schrieb John Packer: > there are 13 name:signposted in the db, not sure if there are more > established alternatives... > > I don't think we should use this key, since it clashes with the usage of > the key name for other languages (i.e. name: ). > Something like name_

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-19 Thread John Packer
> > there are 13 name:signposted in the db, not sure if there are more > established alternatives... > I don't think we should use this key, since it clashes with the usage of the key name for other languages (i.e. name: ). Something like name_signposted would be okay though. BTW there are some ob

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 19/giu/2014 um 08:54 schrieb Colin Smale : > > There should IMHO be an explicit tag to hold the version "as displayed on the > signs" for any case where the "abbreviator" could be confused. +1, also useful for cases where the name on the sign is misspelled. For abbreviated versions you

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > > Expanding abbreviations grates a bit with the "on the ground rule". > Navigation applications as well as visual maps need to be able to reproduce > what the human will see on the ground - often in a language they don't > know. Sometimes the a

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Colin Smale
I think we need to add some clear nuances to the rule of "thou shalt not abbreviate". In order to be able to work correctly, the "abbreviator" must of course have some context such as language/locale, which can mostly be derived from the location, but this is always going to fail sometimes.

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM, André Pirard wrote: > But cultural issues interfere. > To a Russian speaking person, "street" is nothing but ул. (улица) > And that's the same in English. I wonder if the explanation not to abbreviate has been properly translated in the wiki for the Russian comm

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Nathan Oliver
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 4:50 AM, François Lacombe < > francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu> wrote: > >> Could someone precise me why abbreviations should always be avoided in >> tagging please ? >> > > This is already explained at length in t

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 4:50 AM, François Lacombe < francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu> wrote: > Could someone precise me why abbreviations should always be avoided in > tagging please ? > This is already explained at length in the wiki, but chiefly because it disambiguates things a lot. Data

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-06-18 13:27, François Lacombe wrote : 2014-06-18 11:50 GMT+02:00 François Lacombe mailto:francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu>>: Could someone precise me why abbreviations should always be avoided in tagging please ? I think it's being kind to other languages sp

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Dan S
2014-06-18 15:35 GMT+02:00 Richard Welty : > On 6/18/14 8:28 AM, Florian Schäfer wrote: >> What about the homepage of the city [1]? There it says that "The actual >> name comes from the fact that our town site on a strip of Cherokee land >> famous for the Oklahoma Land Run. The name stands for *Ind

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-06-18 13:34 GMT+02:00 François Lacombe < francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu>: > First of all, full text queries I mean. > > And then, anyone can use strokes or underscores as shown : > > United States of America > United_States_of_America > United-States-of-America > United_States-of-Americ

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/18/14 8:28 AM, Florian Schäfer wrote: > What about the homepage of the city [1]? There it says that "The actual > name comes from the fact that our town site on a strip of Cherokee land > famous for the Oklahoma Land Run. The name stands for *Indian Exchange > Land*". in this case, i'd argue t

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Florian Schäfer
What about the homepage of the city [1]? There it says that "The actual name comes from the fact that our town site on a strip of Cherokee land famous for the Oklahoma Land Run. The name stands for *Indian Exchange Land*". Cheers, Florian [1]: http://web.archive.org/web/20140618122535/http://visi

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread François Lacombe
First of all, full text queries I mean. And then, anyone can use strokes or underscores as shown : United States of America United_States_of_America United-States-of-America United_States-of-America That's a problem since there are many possible combinations which are not allowed with abbreviati

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread bulwersator
What is wrong with spaces? On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 04:27:04 -0700 François Lacombe wrote Should we retrieve context with other keys or deal with those ugly blank spaces ? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread François Lacombe
Thank you guys. Ok for compression, not so much hdd space wasted. There is a space coding issue too. Let's take "United States of America" for instance : United States of America United_States_of_America United-States-of-America United_States-of-America which are as many different values. Even

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-06-18 11:50 GMT+02:00 François Lacombe < francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu>: > Could someone precise me why abbreviations should always be avoided in > tagging please ? because you can automatically create an abbreviated version from an expanded version (for better results with the help

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread John Sturdy
Abbreviations can be ambiguous, and I doubt that names take up that much disk space compared with the rest of the data (and the part that is abbreviated away is even less); and when data is stored compressed, the Abbreviations should compress well anyway (in fact, they should be the data that compr

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread François Lacombe
Could someone precise me why abbreviations should always be avoided in tagging please ? I think it's a waste of HDD space and a potential source of errors and misspellings, for company names or even categorization tags (generator:type for instance). Nevertheless, I agree we should write Street xx

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread John Sturdy
I reckon that if it isn't an abbreviation for any extant longer name, it is no longer an abbreviation, and has become the full name in its own right. On 18 Jun 2014 10:06, "Pieren" wrote: > After a quick search: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20011218005945/http://www.kwtv.com/news/strange/ixl.ht

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Pieren
After a quick search: http://web.archive.org/web/20011218005945/http://www.kwtv.com/news/strange/ixl.htm it seems that the name **is** an abbreviation (and "for what" is lost), in which case you don't have to expand it. (perhaps add a tag "note" to explain the case...) Pieren ___

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-18 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Paul, As long as I see hundrets of streets, (most of them in North and South America, although that may be accidently), that abbreviate Street to St, Avenue to Ave and much more I wouldn't bother in cases I don't know the long term. Even if there may be the chance to find what it means, I would

[Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

2014-06-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Am I to assume that if nobody actually can remember what an abbreviation means, it's appropriate to go with it anyway? Example: I. X. L., Okfuskee County, Oklahoma: I can't find an expansion of this town's name, and suffice to say the town's population is small enough with a high enough turnover