Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-30 Thread Liz
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Matthias Meißer wrote: > Sry I don't understand your point. If you limit a sports shop saying > sports=football it is clear that he spots on football related things > only, right? well that would be four different sports covered immediately in Australia

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-30 Thread Matthias Meißer
Sry I don't understand your point. If you limit a sports shop saying sports=football it is clear that he spots on football related things only, right? Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-30 Thread John Smith
2010/8/31 Matthias Meißer : > But yes for me the diving shop looks a little bit to specific cause the wiki > of shop=sports says you can add details using sport=* in this example > sport=diving. As I posted to the wiki, all the dive shops I've seen in Australia only sell dive related equipment and

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-30 Thread Matthias Meißer
I'm talking about the things in general. But yes for me the diving shop looks a little bit to specific cause the wiki of shop=sports says you can add details using sport=* in this example sport=diving. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dsports http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-30 Thread John Smith
2010/8/31 Matthias Meißer : > This results in the funny situation that I have to do a proposal to > modify/extend a non proposed feature that is in conflict on the list ;) Are you talking about scuba diving centres? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@open

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-30 Thread Matthias Meißer
Some people try to sneak in features to the main feature list (hence violating the community rules that only widely accepted and in-use features should be added), but mostly this will not succeed, especially when they are disputed features, because someone will remove them. I don't see a point in

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 30. August 2010 08:08 schrieb Matthias Meißer : >>  multitude of options to choose from > > > Yes ok but the problem with this options is that the brainstorming process > is so distributed and for every channel you need logon etc. For me for > example I dont like mailinglists that much just caus

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
multitude of options to choose from Yes ok but the problem with this options is that the brainstorming process is so distributed and for every channel you need logon etc. For me for example I dont like mailinglists that much just cause of the push communication form. So I thaught that the

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread edodd
> Am 29. August 2010 11:05 schrieb Matthias Meißer : >> So how do you design a tag in a team without the proposal process? > > > you find something that is not yet documented on the wiki and ask on > the mailing list. If you propose something, discuss it on the mailing > list. > > You can also sim

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 29 August 2010 23:24:37 Matthias Meißer wrote: > Ok but IMHO this channel should be usable for the most people and allow > a team based working right? So a wiki is good, isn't it? No, a wiki is one of a multitude of options to choose from on a case by case base. It is not good for it to

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
Ok but IMHO this channel should be usable for the most people and allow a team based working right? So a wiki is good, isn't it? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 29 August 2010 22:12:09 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am 29. August 2010 11:05 schrieb Matthias Meißer : > > So how do you design a tag in a team without the proposal process? > > you find something that is not yet documented on the wiki and ask on > the mailing list. If you propose someth

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. August 2010 11:05 schrieb Matthias Meißer : > So how do you design a tag in a team without the proposal process? you find something that is not yet documented on the wiki and ask on the mailing list. If you propose something, discuss it on the mailing list. You can also simply use a tag.

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
Come on let's keep emotions out of here ;) It doesn't seem like you've thought this through very well, nor developed this proposal in a team and your suggestion seems to be in conflict and you don't have a very clear proposal page so you better tag your own page as having no proposal, it seems t

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Cartinus
What exactly did you not understand when I explained this to you earlier? I'll try it with short sentences this time. The proposal system is broken completely. So broken it is unfixable. Because of that, the proposal system is ignored by the vast majority of mappers. So for a tag to have a pro

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread John Smith
2010/8/29 Matthias Meißer : > What I try to improve is the Wiki, just the wiki and within this step the > map features related pages. It doesn't seem like you've thought this through very well, nor developed this proposal in a team and your suggestion seems to be in conflict and you don't have a v

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
Ok I think we are turning into a cicle. > So you are planning to tag pages as having no proposal if they, are > less used or provokes conflict? > What has any of that have to do with having a proposal page at all What I try to improve is the Wiki, just the wiki and within this step the map fea

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread John Smith
2010/8/29 Matthias Meißer : > Plase have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:No_proposal > which explains why a page is so labeled. So you are planning to tag pages as having no proposal if they, are less used or provokes conflict? What has any of that have to do with having a p

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread John Smith
2010/8/29 Matthias Meißer : > Cause the mentioned facts hit. So we can have an overview tool to manage the > map feature list better. How does having a proposal page help with this at all? >> Why is it so important that there is any proposal page? > > It's not. As explained on the template page

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
what do you think that "no proposal" means? it point's that there is no proposal and there are additional problems. does it mean that it is not official? What does official mean exactly? does it mean that a tag is commonly used and its meaning is commonly understood and still not documented? d

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
Why do such pages need to be tagged as such? Cause the mentioned facts hit. So we can have an overview tool to manage the map feature list better. Why is it so important that there is any proposal page? It's not. As explained on the template page itself we try to give the wiki an better orde

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-28 Thread John Smith
2010/8/29 Matthias Meißer : > Hi, John Smith showed me, that it would be good to discuss the usage of the > {{no proposal}} template Why do such pages need to be tagged as such? Why is it so important that there is any proposal page? What about proposal pages that are moved to be the main page d

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-28 Thread edodd
> Hi, John Smith showed me, that it would be good to discuss the usage of > the {{no proposal}} template even if I thought that I allready talked > about here > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-August/003518.html what do you think that "no proposal" means? does it mean that it

[Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-28 Thread Matthias Meißer
Hi, John Smith showed me, that it would be good to discuss the usage of the {{no proposal}} template even if I thought that I allready talked about here http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-August/003518.html This template should show esp. newcommers that the feature isn't ver