Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 08/08/2016 21:43, Meg Drouhard wrote: We've been drafting a longer response that we wanted to share with everyone to give more context (for those also following the import list-serve, there is a separate post there that goes through import-specific challenges). ... Hi, Thanks for thi

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Hi all, We've been drafting a longer response that we wanted to share with everyone to give more context (for those also following the import list-serve, there is a separate post there that goes through import-specific challenges). Firstly, thank you to everyone for engaging with such vigorous

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > I tested out the proposed mapping/tagging scheme in my local area > (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/40.49192/-105.05655 - not claiming I > did it perfectly). I didn't think it was especially difficult. Drawing the > additional ways took

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 7:15 AM, markus schnalke wrote: > The visibility is surely an advantage. (btw: Is there a map style > that shows sidwalk=*?) > ITO World has a map for "walkable cities": http://product.itoworld.com/map/126#fullscreen regards m

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 04/08/2016 02:35, Mike Thompson wrote: I tested out the proposed mapping/tagging scheme in my local area (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/40.49192/-105.05655 - not claiming I did it perfectly). I didn't think it was especially difficult. Drawing the additional ways took a little more

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 04/08/2016 06:15, markus schnalke wrote: The visibility is surely an advantage. (btw: Is there a map style that shows sidwalk=*?) I wrote about one here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/38136 The basic idea is: 1) Split secondary, tertiary, and unclassified roads wit

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

sent from a phone > Il giorno 03 ago 2016, alle ore 23:57, Paul Norman ha > scritto: > > Except in those situations, it's not worth the additional complexity of > editing how do you represent a bollard on a sidewalk if it's just an attribute on the street? cheers, Martin __

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

[2016-08-03 19:35] Mike Thompson > On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 AM, markus schnalke wrote: > > So, if mapping sidewalks is a lot of effort (kerbs and such), there > will be few motivation to do it at all. Having it as trivial as > possible increases the probability of users doing it.

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:49 AM, markus schnalke wrote: > > So, if mapping sidewalks is a lot of effort (kerbs and such), there > will be few motivation to do it at all. Having it as trivial as > possible increases the probability of users doing it. > > I tested out the proposed mapping/tagging sc

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 8/1/2016 3:11 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: The first problem I see is that mapping sidewalks as a separate way should not be done unless there is a physical separation. For a pedestrian the sidewalk is a part of the road. It depends. Both ways are used, and they both have advantages and disadva

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

sent from a phone > Il giorno 03 ago 2016, alle ore 00:09, Martijn van Exel ha > scritto: > > The fact that this is all pretty German language centered sums it all up. The > topic has perhaps been discussed over and over in your language, spoken by ~ > 1.4% of the world. maybe this numbe

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Martijn, On 08/03/2016 12:09 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > The fact that this is all pretty German language centered sums it all > up. The topic has perhaps been discussed over and over in your language, > spoken by ~ 1.4% of the world. I'm sure if anyone had written a few lines somewhere ("hey

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

[2016-08-03 00:27] Tor > > Really? By removing the quick and easy way to tag pavements, > people will suddenly start mapping pavements? Thanks for pointing on this. I much agree. If in our rural region we would start to map sidewalks (which we have not done so far, apart from some experiments), w

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+import)

On 02/08/2016 23:24, Ilya Zverev wrote: In Russia it has been the norm for a long time. Not that we have mapped every sidewalk, but using the sidewalk=* tag is frowned upon. Maybe, but a quick look at some random Russian places suggests that the normal way to map sidewalks there is "not at

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

> 1. aug. 2016 kl. 23:35 skrev Meg Drouhard : > > Hello, > > Our team is proposing a standardization of sidewalk tagging conventions in > OSM to simplify pedestrian network annotations and better represent the > physical reality of sidewalk ways. This proposal is particularly concerned > wit

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+import)

Frederik Ramm wrote: As written on the imports list, I think that separate mapping of sidewalks will not, and should not, be the norm; In Russia it has been the norm for a long time. Not that we have mapped every sidewalk, but using the sidewalk=* tag is frowned upon. IZ __

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 8/2/2016 5:39 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: But mapping sidewalks as individual geometries puts considerable burden on the mappers who want to work with the data in an editor. I haven't seen individual geometries to be a burden here where I and another mapper have gravitated from sidewalk=left/r

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Frederik, On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 08/01/2016 11:35 PM, Meg Drouhard wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Our team is proposing a standardization of sidewalk tagging conventions > > in OSM to simplify pedestrian network annotations and better represent > > the physi

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Hi, On 08/02/2016 11:39 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > * Micha Meier's work in Graz, Austria - Project "Access2Life" > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Species/Access2Life with > detailed tagging schema and even specialized JOSM presets and styles PS Micha showed off a wheelchair routing based

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Hi, On 08/01/2016 11:35 PM, Meg Drouhard wrote: > Hello, > > Our team is proposing a standardization of sidewalk tagging conventions > in OSM to simplify pedestrian network annotations and better represent > the physical reality of sidewalk ways. This proposal is particularly > concerned with fea

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 8/2/2016 9:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: legally you can't cross anywhere you like but have to use crossings as long as they are in proximity. Practically you can cross anywhere you want where traffic density is not too high. Conceptually, we need a way for mappers to record the level

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Hey Meg, I read through your proposal at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sidewalk_schema I don’t see anything in there that is any different from how sidewalks and crossings are already being tagged in O

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

sent from a phone > Il giorno 02 ago 2016, alle ore 15:58, Andy Townsend ha > scritto: > > Your government may restrict where you can cross the road, but around the > world many do not. likely, I was referring to Italy and Germany, and I guess other European countries handle it likewise,

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Meg Drouhard wrote: > Hello, > > Our team is proposing a standardization of sidewalk tagging conventions in > OSM to simplify pedestrian network annotations and better represent the > physical reality of sidewalk ways. This proposal is particularly concerned > wit

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 2016-08-02 15:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > legally you can't cross anywhere you like but have to use crossings as long > as they are in proximity. That depends very much on the particular jurisdiction. In the UK it is not illegal to cross the road at an arbitrary point, however stupid it

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

sent from a phone > Il giorno 02 ago 2016, alle ore 14:18, ael ha > scritto: > > So when the pavements are > drawn as separate ways, the obvious solution is to introduce a > "connected" relation of some sort? the relation type=area was invented also for this case, but it is not clear how r

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 02/08/2016 14:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: legally you can't cross anywhere you like but have to use crossings as long as they are in proximity. Your government may restrict where you can cross the road, but around the world many do not. Cheers, Andy ___

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

sent from a phone > Il giorno 02 ago 2016, alle ore 10:03, François Lacombe > ha scritto: > > Even if people can cross the roads wherever they want, routing engines should > only encourage them to do so on protected crossings. legally you can't cross anywhere you like but have to use c

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

2016-08-02 13:54 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > In that case they should be mapped as separate ways, but in a > residential areas, for example, links to the road should be mapped to > allow routing. > Agree with that, links to roads should always be mapped for routing. > > That is assuming there a

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

I haven't been following this thread closely, but surely there is a need for some way to indicate the common situation where one can cross a road (typically to the opposite pavement) anywhere. So when the pavements are drawn as separate ways, the obvious solution is to introduce a "connected" relat

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On Tue, 2016-08-02 at 10:03 +0200, François Lacombe wrote: >  > Philp, > Pavement deduction from roads is a pain and often footway=* tags > won't suit the mappers needs according of what seen in situation. > What about a road where pavement are regularly separated with several > square meters of

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 11:11:37PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > The first problem I see is that mapping sidewalks as a separate way > should not be done unless there is a physical separation. For a > pedestrian the sidewalk is a part of the road.  > > Mapping as separate ways can mess up routing

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On 8/2/2016 6:03 PM, François Lacombe wrote: [Sent from a phone] Hi all, To begin with positive side of things, big thank you Meg to propose a consistent and scalable scheme out of this mess. I completely agree with the current lack of consistency and would like to encourage the search of be

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

[Sent from a phone] Hi all, To begin with positive side of things, big thank you Meg to propose a consistent and scalable scheme out of this mess. I completely agree with the current lack of consistency and would like to encourage the search of better description and network approach What about

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

On Mon, 2016-08-01 at 14:35 -0700, Meg Drouhard wrote: > Hello, > > Our team is proposing a standardization of sidewalk tagging > conventions in OSM to simplify pedestrian network annotations and > better represent the physical reality of sidewalk ways.  This > proposal is particularly concerned w

[Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

Hello, Our team is proposing a standardization of sidewalk tagging conventions in OSM to simplify pedestrian network annotations and better represent the physical reality of sidewalk ways. This proposal is particularly concerned with features of sidewalks that may aid or impede travel for people