Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/19 : > Some jurisdictions define city status in law, some don't.  Among those > jurisdictions that do define cities in law, not all use the same definition.   > This not only can vary from country to country, but even within the same > country (for example, in the USA, the state of Tennes

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread john
7;t define what is a city, the state of Virginia does do so). ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis >From :mailto:ed...@billiau.net Date :Wed Jan 19 04:07:35 America/Chicago 2011 > On 19 January 2011 16:49, Steve Bennett wrote: >> atlases etc.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/19 Phil! Gold : > * Steve Bennett [2011-01-19 15:17 +1100]: >> I suggest we investigate something like a general prominence=* tag, >> with values of 1-10. > > I wouldn't be opposed to this, but I keep thinking a two-tiered system > like the Ranally City Rating System[0] might be a better ap

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread Phil! Gold
* Steve Bennett [2011-01-19 15:17 +1100]: > I suggest we investigate something like a general prominence=* tag, > with values of 1-10. I wouldn't be opposed to this, but I keep thinking a two-tiered system like the Ranally City Rating System[0] might be a better approach. You'd have one axis for

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/19 Pieren : > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: >> > Why instead of "prominence", we don't call it "font_size" ? (which is what > it is at the end) no, that would be too few: it is also (maybe mostly) about _when_ to display a settlement's name, and to determine layer

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/19 John Smith : > On 19 January 2011 14:17, Steve Bennett wrote: > The problem here is subject v objective tagging, in terms of airports > this can be objective stated based on international flights a day and > the same with cities, if you want to indicate population tag > population, take

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread edodd
> On 19 January 2011 16:49, Steve Bennett wrote: >> atlases etc. A town of 50,000 would barely even rate a mention in >> France, whereas that's pretty big for Australia. And a town like Eucla >> in the nullarbor (pop 50) has very high prominence as it's the only >> place for many miles with accomm

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > I suggest we investigate something like a general prominence=* tag, > with values of 1-10. Define some defaults, like: > > 1 > 2 Hamlet > 3 > 4 Village > 5 > 6 Town > 7 National capital (if not bigger) > 8 > 9 City > 10 > > Why instead of "p

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 January 2011 16:49, Steve Bennett wrote: > atlases etc. A town of 50,000 would barely even rate a mention in > France, whereas that's pretty big for Australia. And a town like Eucla > in the nullarbor (pop 50) has very high prominence as it's the only > place for many miles with accommodatio

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread robert
What ever solution we are going to use. By rendering all countries, the relative picture should be the same. Prominence 4 in America is a city with a lot more inhabitants then a prominace 4 in Belgium. Knowledge of the country should decide the prominence. To have a clear discussion, ever

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread Erik Johansson
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: > Or take the Sucre, the capitol of Bolivien (193k people) and compare to > Santa Cruz de la Sierra (biggest city of the country) with 1.1m people. Funnily enough many people in Bolivia count La Paz (about 2m) as the Capital, the president i

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:27 PM, John Smith wrote: > The problem here is subject v objective tagging, in terms of airports > this can be objective stated based on international flights a day and > the same with cities, if you want to indicate population tag > population, take for example some regi

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 January 2011 14:17, Steve Bennett wrote: > Remember how we recently had a discussion about how to tag airports? > Exactly the same problem. There will be many other examples, like > schools, parks, mountains etc etc. If we want to produce good > cartography, we need to be tagging for it. Th

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:11 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > There is a proposal in the wiki by user: MojaveNC which doesn't look bad: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Metropolis The problem of prominence affects a lot more than just cities. Adding a single tag to handle a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 January 2011 05:41, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/1/18 Robert Elsenaar : >> Great idea to reactivate is again. New times, new ideas. >> >> I think capitals should be tagged to be Metropolis to also when they do not >> have enough inhibitans to be granted as one. > > > -1, what is the poi

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:00 PM, wrote: > You then start getting debates such as whether Dallas and Fort Worth should > count as two separate metropolitan areas, or as one metropolitan area that > includes both cities. Do what the census bureau does: if the urbanized areas touch, it's a single

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread john
You then start getting debates such as whether Dallas and Fort Worth should count as two separate metropolitan areas, or as one metropolitan area that includes both cities. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis >From :mailto:nerou...@gmail.com Date :Tue Jan

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: > even the US with Washington DC (500k) vs New York (>8m) are a good example. Though this is an example where using metropolitan area figures would be better (NYC is still out in front but DC is pretty respectable). _

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread Peter Wendorff
I think capitals should be tagged to be Metropolis to also when they do not have enough inhibitans to be granted as one. -Robert- -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:11 PM To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging]

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 18/01/2011 20:41, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer a écrit : 2011/1/18 Robert Elsenaar: Great idea to reactivate is again. New times, new ideas. I think capitals should be tagged to be Metropolis to also when they do not have enough inhibitans to be granted as one. -1, what is the point of this? The ke

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/18 Robert Elsenaar : > Great idea to reactivate is again. New times, new ideas. > > I think capitals should be tagged to be Metropolis to also when they do not > have enough inhibitans to be granted as one. -1, what is the point of this? The key: capital already tells you, if it's a capita

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread Robert Elsenaar
: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis Looking at some big cities in Europe I find (not for the first time, I know) some mapping bugs regarding some of the more important cities, e.g. L'Hospitalet de Llolobregad [1], Treviso [2], Avellino [3], [1]

[Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Looking at some big cities in Europe I find (not for the first time, I know) some mapping bugs regarding some of the more important cities, e.g. L'Hospitalet de Llolobregad [1], Treviso [2], Avellino [3], [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.43&mlon=2.11&zoom=7&layers=M [2] http://www.openstr