On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 20:43, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
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> On 04.10.2019 19:10, Markus wrote:
> > While orchard=meadow_orchard is the most used way of tagging a meadow
> > orchard (2 748 uses), there
> > are also 668 uses of the other subtag meadow=meadow_orchard. That means
> > that people don't
On 04.10.2019 19:10, Markus wrote:
While orchard=meadow_orchard is the most used way of tagging a meadow orchard (2 748 uses), there
are also 668 uses of the other subtag meadow=meadow_orchard. That means that people don't agree that
the orchard is more important than the meadow.
Apparently
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019, 16:18 Tom Pfeifer, wrote:
> I reviewed the thread and found the most convincing argument that the
> subtagging solution is already
> the preferred tagging in 2787 cases (according to overpass, most of them
> in Germany). It helps to
> prevent tag fragmentation and will not
On 03.10.2019 21:12, Markus wrote:
How shall we remain now? Can we agree on on a single way of tagging in
order that this discussion doesn't come up again in a year or two?
I still think that landuse=meadow_orchard (as well as
landuse=silvopasture for forest and pasture) is the best option. The
How shall we remain now? Can we agree on on a single way of tagging in
order that this discussion doesn't come up again in a year or two?
I still think that landuse=meadow_orchard (as well as
landuse=silvopasture for forest and pasture) is the best option. The
other used or proposed tags demand
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> On 21. Sep 2019, at 01:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> And orchard, vineyard and meadow are excluded from landuse=farmland so the
> 'brush' is not so broad.
actually pasture was there for almost 10 years and only “recently” removed:
On 20/09/19 16:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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On 20. Sep 2019, at 02:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not landuse=agriculture? As a broad brush it could do well. Could includes
all types of agriculture practice.
we already have a broad brush for this field:
I am not into landseer tagging. But: are the CORINE categories any help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordination_of_Information_on_the_Environment
?
On Fri, 20 Sep 2019, 08:57 Martin Koppenhoefer,
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> > On 20. Sep 2019, at 02:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
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> On 20. Sep 2019, at 02:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Why not landuse=agriculture? As a broad brush it could do well. Could
> includes all types of agriculture practice.
we already have a broad brush for this field: landuse=farmland
Cheers Martin
On 19/09/19 18:49, Volker Schmidt wrote:
we may have to byte the bullet and allow semicolon-separated values
for landuse. Specific word combinations are not a good solution
OSM uses landuse=residential as a broad brush that includes recreation
and commercial uses. It includes various
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 16:32, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
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> Usually the main land use should be the one that is most economically
> important, and also should take up the most land.
Most economically important including or excluding subsidies? In
Switzerland, farmers receive subsidies for standard
Am Do., 19. Sept. 2019 um 12:57 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen :
> I didn't write it was "dense", I wrote it was "denser", compared to a
>> meadow orchard.
>>
>
> I see a range of tree densities in the Wikipedia article.
>
> it is using the term "woodland". For meadow orchards, I would use the term
>>
> irrigated vs non-irrigated crops
That's a good idea. There is a key irrigated=yes/no in use, that can
be added to areas of landuse=farmland, and you can also tag crop=rice
for example. But it needs to be documented with a wiki page:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/irrigated
There's also
Hi everyone,
I think that this case and my dehesas pose the same problem, which is that
the current collection of possible landuses is too narrow. In my opinion
there are three options:
a) Expand the number of landuse values to adapt to different realities in
other parts of the world. Apart from
I have to disagree with the wikipedia article. Fruit orchards are not
frequently mentioned with "silvopasture"
Unfortunately, this term is not defined in any of the British English
dictionaries that I've found online, or in reliable American English
dictionaries. The only online dictionary
De: letopographe...@gmail.comEnvoyé: 19 septembre 2019 12:53 PMÀ: tagging@openstreetmap.orgObjet: Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchardsAnd what about something like:Landuse=mixed (0 use in taginfo)Landuse:orchard
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 09:51, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> we may have to byte the bullet and allow semicolon-separated values for
> landuse.
>
+1
Specific word combinations are not a good solution
>
+1
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 09:47, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> Right. Silvopasture combines trees used for forestry with grass for
> grazing.
>
>From the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvopasture:
Silvopasture is compatible with fruit, nut, and timber production. Grazing
can serve
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 08:43, Martin Koppenhoefer
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> Am Do., 19. Sept. 2019 um 09:18 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen >:
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>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Martin Koppenhoefer
>> wrote:
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>> I agree the term silvopasture is not a synonym for meadow orchards. A
>>> meadow orchard is
: tagging@openstreetmap.orgRépondre à: tagging@openstreetmap.orgObjet: Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards Right. Silvopasture combines trees used for forestry with grass for grazing. That means that the trees are used to produce for forestry products: usually wood or timber, sometimes bark, sap
we may have to byte the bullet and allow semicolon-separated values for
landuse. Specific word combinations are not a good solution
So far I know of
meadow + fruit trees
bovine pasture + aok trees
grain + olive trees
grain + Almond
pigs + trees
I am sure there are many more.
Right. Silvopasture combines trees used for forestry with grass for
grazing.
That means that the trees are used to produce for forestry products:
usually wood or timber, sometimes bark, sap, or other non-food products.
Orchards produce food: usually fruits like bananas, coconuts or oranges,
but
Am Do., 19. Sept. 2019 um 09:18 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen :
> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
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> I agree the term silvopasture is not a synonym for meadow orchards. A
>> meadow orchard is specifically low density/sparse trees, while silvopasture
>> indicates a
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
I agree the term silvopasture is not a synonym for meadow orchards. A
> meadow orchard is specifically low density/sparse trees, while silvopasture
> indicates a forest/woodland, i.e. denser tree cover.
>
Really? I don't see anything in
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On 18. Sep 2019, at 20:46, Paul Allen wrote:
>> AFAIK, silvopasture describes a forest that is also used for grazing
>> livestock.
>
> From the wikipedia article on silvopasture: "Silvopasture is compatible with
> fruit, nut,
> and timber production."
I agree the term
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> On 18. Sep 2019, at 20:05, Markus wrote:
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> I dislike both landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard and
> landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard because they imply a primary
> usage (meadow or orchard respectively), which i think is impossible to
> determine. Therefore i
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:32, Markus wrote:
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> AFAIK, silvopasture describes a forest that is also used for grazing
> livestock.
>
>From the wikipedia article on silvopasture: "Silvopasture is compatible
with fruit, nut,
and timber production."
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:11, Paul Allen wrote:
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> Or landuse=silvopasture.
AFAIK, silvopasture describes a forest that is also used for grazing livestock.
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:07, Markus wrote:
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> I dislike both landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard and
> landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard because they imply a primary
> usage (meadow or orchard respectively), which i think is impossible to
> determine. Therefore i prefer
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:10, Jan Michel wrote:
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> Current usage stats:
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> landuse=meadow_orchard 47
> landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard 650
> landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard 2700
I dislike both landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard and
landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard
Hi Tobias,
All the options are listed here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow_orchard
Current usage stats:
landuse=meadow_orchard 47
landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard 650
landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard 2700
Jan
On 18.09.19 16:46, Tobias Zwick wrote:
18 Sep 2019, 16:46 by o...@westnordost.de:
> b) a subtag of landuse=orchard? Maybe orchard=meadow/plantation?
>
orchard=meadow_orchard
(A bit of duplication but clear,
just orchard=meadow looks
like a mistake)
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Am Mi., 18. Sept. 2019 um 16:48 Uhr schrieb Tobias Zwick :
> Hey there
>
> What is the best way to tag meadow orchards?
>
>
this has been discussed 10 years ago, but I don't recall the results (if
any). I think by the time it was to not introduce a new landuse value like
meadow_orchard
>
Hey there
What is the best way to tag meadow orchards?
Most orchards are plantations with monocultures of one kind of tree, usually
planted in rows and pruned to have a short trunk for easier picking.
There is another type of orchard, in German "Streuobstwiese", in English I
think "meadow
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