Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-10-04 Thread Markus
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 20:43, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > On 04.10.2019 19:10, Markus wrote: > > While orchard=meadow_orchard is the most used way of tagging a meadow > > orchard (2 748 uses), there > > are also 668 uses of the other subtag meadow=meadow_orchard. That means > > that people don't

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-10-04 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 04.10.2019 19:10, Markus wrote: While orchard=meadow_orchard is the most used way of tagging a meadow orchard (2 748 uses), there are also 668 uses of the other subtag meadow=meadow_orchard. That means that people don't agree that the orchard is more important than the meadow. Apparently

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-10-04 Thread Markus
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019, 16:18 Tom Pfeifer, wrote: > I reviewed the thread and found the most convincing argument that the > subtagging solution is already > the preferred tagging in 2787 cases (according to overpass, most of them > in Germany). It helps to > prevent tag fragmentation and will not

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-10-04 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 03.10.2019 21:12, Markus wrote: How shall we remain now? Can we agree on on a single way of tagging in order that this discussion doesn't come up again in a year or two? I still think that landuse=meadow_orchard (as well as landuse=silvopasture for forest and pasture) is the best option. The

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-10-03 Thread Markus
How shall we remain now? Can we agree on on a single way of tagging in order that this discussion doesn't come up again in a year or two? I still think that landuse=meadow_orchard (as well as landuse=silvopasture for forest and pasture) is the best option. The other used or proposed tags demand

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Sep 2019, at 01:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And orchard, vineyard and meadow are excluded from landuse=farmland so the > 'brush' is not so broad. actually pasture was there for almost 10 years and only “recently” removed:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-20 Thread Warin
On 20/09/19 16:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 20. Sep 2019, at 02:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Why not landuse=agriculture? As a broad brush it could do well. Could includes all types of agriculture practice. we already have a broad brush for this field:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-20 Thread Volker Schmidt
I am not into landseer tagging. But: are the CORINE categories any help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordination_of_Information_on_the_Environment ? On Fri, 20 Sep 2019, 08:57 Martin Koppenhoefer, wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 20. Sep 2019, at 02:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Sep 2019, at 02:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Why not landuse=agriculture? As a broad brush it could do well. Could > includes all types of agriculture practice. we already have a broad brush for this field: landuse=farmland Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Warin
On 19/09/19 18:49, Volker Schmidt wrote: we may have to byte the bullet and allow semicolon-separated values for landuse. Specific word combinations are not a good solution OSM uses landuse=residential as a broad brush that includes recreation and commercial uses. It includes various

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Markus
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 16:32, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Usually the main land use should be the one that is most economically > important, and also should take up the most land. Most economically important including or excluding subsidies? In Switzerland, farmers receive subsidies for standard

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 19. Sept. 2019 um 12:57 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > I didn't write it was "dense", I wrote it was "denser", compared to a >> meadow orchard. >> > > I see a range of tree densities in the Wikipedia article. > > it is using the term "woodland". For meadow orchards, I would use the term >>

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> irrigated vs non-irrigated crops That's a good idea. There is a key irrigated=yes/no in use, that can be added to areas of landuse=farmland, and you can also tag crop=rice for example. But it needs to be documented with a wiki page: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/irrigated There's also

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Diego Cruz
Hi everyone, I think that this case and my dehesas pose the same problem, which is that the current collection of possible landuses is too narrow. In my opinion there are three options: a) Expand the number of landuse values to adapt to different realities in other parts of the world. Apart from

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I have to disagree with the wikipedia article. Fruit orchards are not frequently mentioned with "silvopasture" Unfortunately, this term is not defined in any of the British English dictionaries that I've found online, or in reliable American English dictionaries. The only online dictionary

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Topographe Fou
De: letopographe...@gmail.comEnvoyé: 19 septembre 2019 12:53 PMÀ: tagging@openstreetmap.orgObjet: Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchardsAnd what about something like:Landuse=mixed (0 use in taginfo)Landuse:orchard

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 09:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: > we may have to byte the bullet and allow semicolon-separated values for > landuse. > +1 Specific word combinations are not a good solution > +1 -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 09:47, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Right. Silvopasture combines trees used for forestry with grass for > grazing. > >From the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvopasture: Silvopasture is compatible with fruit, nut, and timber production. Grazing can serve

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 08:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Am Do., 19. Sept. 2019 um 09:18 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen >: > >> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Martin Koppenhoefer >> wrote: >> >> I agree the term silvopasture is not a synonym for meadow orchards. A >>> meadow orchard is

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Topographe Fou
: tagging@openstreetmap.orgRépondre à: tagging@openstreetmap.orgObjet: Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards Right. Silvopasture combines trees used for forestry with grass for grazing. That means that the trees are used to produce for forestry products: usually wood or timber, sometimes bark, sap

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Volker Schmidt
we may have to byte the bullet and allow semicolon-separated values for landuse. Specific word combinations are not a good solution So far I know of meadow + fruit trees bovine pasture + aok trees grain + olive trees grain + Almond pigs + trees I am sure there are many more.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Right. Silvopasture combines trees used for forestry with grass for grazing. That means that the trees are used to produce for forestry products: usually wood or timber, sometimes bark, sap, or other non-food products. Orchards produce food: usually fruits like bananas, coconuts or oranges, but

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 19. Sept. 2019 um 09:18 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I agree the term silvopasture is not a synonym for meadow orchards. A >> meadow orchard is specifically low density/sparse trees, while silvopasture >> indicates a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I agree the term silvopasture is not a synonym for meadow orchards. A > meadow orchard is specifically low density/sparse trees, while silvopasture > indicates a forest/woodland, i.e. denser tree cover. > Really? I don't see anything in

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone On 18. Sep 2019, at 20:46, Paul Allen wrote: >> AFAIK, silvopasture describes a forest that is also used for grazing >> livestock. > > From the wikipedia article on silvopasture: "Silvopasture is compatible with > fruit, nut, > and timber production." I agree the term

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Sep 2019, at 20:05, Markus wrote: > > I dislike both landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard and > landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard because they imply a primary > usage (meadow or orchard respectively), which i think is impossible to > determine. Therefore i

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:32, Markus wrote: > > AFAIK, silvopasture describes a forest that is also used for grazing > livestock. > >From the wikipedia article on silvopasture: "Silvopasture is compatible with fruit, nut, and timber production." -- Paul

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Markus
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:11, Paul Allen wrote: > > Or landuse=silvopasture. AFAIK, silvopasture describes a forest that is also used for grazing livestock. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:07, Markus wrote: > > I dislike both landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard and > landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard because they imply a primary > usage (meadow or orchard respectively), which i think is impossible to > determine. Therefore i prefer

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Markus
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:10, Jan Michel wrote: > > Current usage stats: > > landuse=meadow_orchard 47 > landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard 650 > landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard 2700 I dislike both landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard and landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Jan Michel
Hi Tobias, All the options are listed here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow_orchard Current usage stats: landuse=meadow_orchard 47 landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard 650 landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard 2700 Jan On 18.09.19 16:46, Tobias Zwick wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
18 Sep 2019, 16:46 by o...@westnordost.de: > b) a subtag of landuse=orchard? Maybe orchard=meadow/plantation? > orchard=meadow_orchard (A bit of duplication but clear, just orchard=meadow looks like a mistake) Or orchard=mixed_with_meadow?___

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 18. Sept. 2019 um 16:48 Uhr schrieb Tobias Zwick : > Hey there > > What is the best way to tag meadow orchards? > > this has been discussed 10 years ago, but I don't recall the results (if any). I think by the time it was to not introduce a new landuse value like meadow_orchard >

[Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Tobias Zwick
Hey there What is the best way to tag meadow orchards? Most orchards are plantations with monocultures of one kind of tree, usually planted in rows and pruned to have a short trunk for easier picking. There is another type of orchard, in German "Streuobstwiese", in English I think "meadow