Hi all,
there's the "bollard" key with documented value "rising" and "removable"
[0] but I often encounter also bollards which cannot be removed easily.
I would love to see the "unremovable" value in the documentation. Should
I open a proposal page for this one value? That sounds a bit of an
overk
Yeah, Also noticed that when mapping bollards. I'd vote on such a proposal
yeah 馃憤
Not sure if proposals are needed for changes this small. But I'd love to
hear other people's feedback as well yeah
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 19:54, Hauke Stieler wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> there's the "bollard" key with do
I think that by default bollards are not removable, and that if a bollard
is not tagged as removable, it is reasonable to assume it's not removable.
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 6:54 PM Hauke Stieler wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> there's the "bollard" key with documented value "rising" and "removable"
> [0] b
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 15:16, John Sturdy wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 6:54 PM Hauke Stieler wrote:
>> there's the "bollard" key with documented value "rising" and "removable"
>> [0] but I often encounter also bollards which cannot be removed easily.
>> I would love to see the "unremovable" v
I think that's a bad assumption to make. Could just be that nobody bothered
to tag it
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 21:17 John Sturdy wrote:
> I think that by default bollards are not removable, and that if a bollard
> is not tagged as removable, it is reasonable to assume it's not removable.
>
> On Sat
I don't have real data to check your statement (except the mapped
bollards in OSM) but personally I don't know if that's true for all
regions. I personally have the feeling that the amount is at least equal
and in Hamburg, Germany I have the impression that more bollars are
removable then unremovab
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 08:15:32PM +, John Sturdy wrote:
> I think that by default bollards are not removable, and that if a bollard
> is not tagged as removable, it is reasonable to assume it's not removable.
+1
ael
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I have tagged around 1k bollards without "removable" or "raising", because
they looked reasonably difficult to remove, even thought most likely nearly
all of them are in one way or the other removable and not really fixed.
My interpretation of the the absence of these tags has been that the object
Hi all,
My 2 cts : key actuator and especially actuator=hydraulic_cyclinder or
pneumatic_cylinder values are suitable for movable bollards (pchtt
noise when bollards go up and down means actuator=pneumatic_cylinder for
instance)
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:actuator
bollard=unremov
Hi,
Checking https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/bollard#values
unremovable is already used a lot, though irremovable is used also but four
times less. So I guess you can document the value.
(And no tag doesn't mean unremovable of course.)
I would like to add that there's a common type in Pari
Looking at Taginfo I'm now in an existential crisis over the 124 bollards
that are simultaneously not bollards "bollard":"no". C'eci n'est pas
un bollard?
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 11:31 Florimond Berthoux,
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Checking https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/bollard#values
> unremov
I found 106 of these in France, but it looks that that 104 of these are
indications that "there is no bollard" on highway=crossing. None of them is
tagged barrier=bollard and bollard=no.
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 17:05, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> Looking at Taginfo I'm now in an existential crisis over
ollard=yes"聽 (Yes, this REALLY IS a bollard?)
Regards,Peter
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards
Hi all,
My 2 cts : key actuator and especially actuator=hydraulic_cyclinder or
pneumatic_cylinder values ar
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 20:54, ET Commands wrote:
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> > From: Fran莽ois Lacombe
> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bo
On 16/2/20 10:29 pm, Florimond Berthoux wrote:
Hi,
Checking https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/bollard#values
unremovable is already used a lot, though irremovable is used also but
four times less. So I guess you can document the value.
(And no tag doesn't mean unremovable of course.)
I w
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 15:53, ET Commands wrote:
> > bollard=unremovable for fixed bollards sounds good to me.
>
> My spelling check does not like "unremovable" but instead suggests
> "irremovable." However, if I want to be nit-picky, all bollards are
> ultimately removable, so maybe more appropr
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 16:51, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Umm...
>
> Bollards are there to protect people. With the present threats I would think
> identifying which bollards could be easily driven through on a public
> map/data base would be a bad idea.
>
>
> So I would be firmly agai
On 17/2/20 8:52 am, Jarek Pi贸rkowski wrote:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 15:53, ET Commands wrote:
bollard=unremovable for fixed bollards sounds good to me.
My spelling check does not like "unremovable" but instead suggests
"irremovable." However, if I want to be nit-picky, all bollards are
ultimat
So I guess you'll be against mapping roads also ?
1.35 millions deaths, that something to consider
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
Le dim. 16 f茅vr. 2020 脿 22:52, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a 茅crit :
> On 16/2/20 10:29 pm, Florimond Berthoux wrote:
What I've been wondering with regard to this whole topic is whether you
would also need to add an entry for who can remove the bollard?
Would that be covered by access=xxx ?
Thanks
Graeme
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 08:10, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17/2/20 8:52 am, Jarek Pi贸rkowsk
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 17:10, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you want, then another key so the above does not get polluted?
>
> bollard_structure=block/post/*
bollard_structure=block would surely be better off as a barrier=block?
That's already well established.
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These things may just damage cars, but they definitely hurt cyclists and
pedestrians when they hit them. They are often badly visible and their only
purpose, at least here in Italy, to discourage car owners from entering
cycle or foot paths. I know personally of cyclists who ended up in
hospital.
Hi,
> I too prefer 'fixed'.
>
> Foldable, is also in some sense irremovable/unremovable (spell check objects)
> where as I think 'fixed' is a better description as it implies not foldable,
> removeable nor lowerable.
I was starting to write a whole page why I don't like "fixed" instead of
"un
On 17/2/20 10:26 am, Hauke Stieler wrote:
Hi,
I too prefer 'fixed'.
Foldable, is also in some sense irremovable/unremovable (spell check objects)
where as I think 'fixed' is a better description as it implies not foldable,
removeable nor lowerable.
I was starting to write a whole page why I
A fair few people die in these places;
hospitals
private homes
'retirement villages'
If I knew where I was going to die.. i would not go there.
On 17/2/20 9:15 am, Florimond Berthoux wrote:
So I guess you'll be against mapping roads also ?
1.35 millions deaths, that something to consider
http
Am So., 16. Feb. 2020 um 22:52 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
> Umm...
>
> Bollards are there to protect people.
>
they might be there to protect people, but not in all instances, their
purpose is to either physically prevent or at least signal to vehicles
wider than x to pass, whil
Am So., 16. Feb. 2020 um 21:54 Uhr schrieb ET Commands :
>
> My spelling check does not like "unremovable" but instead suggests
> "irremovable." However, if I want to be nit-picky, all bollards are
> ultimately removable, so maybe more appropriate values would be
> "retractable" and "non-retracta
Sorry to be insistent.
If we create more bollard attributes, we should keep in mind that the
relevant bollard properties from a car drivers point of views are very
different than those of a cyclist or of a blind person may consider
relevant.
*Flexibility*:
a soft flexible bollard will not do anythi
Often used to make residential streets into deadends to prevent rat-running, to
enforce vehicle bans, to prevent delivery vehicles parking on the sidewalk
instead of the delivery bay.
In most cases bollards are fixed, there is usually only one or two removable
bollards to create a gap wide enou
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