Re: [tahoe-dev] Against DARCS - using the patch cache

2010-10-18 Thread Zooko O'Whielacronx
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Brian Warner wrote: > > I am still disappointed by the > speed of e.g. 'darcs whatsnew -l' and 'darcs diff', ... By the way the darcs hackers have been working on the speed of whatsnew, at least. Not sure about "darcs diff". Looking at the darcs benchmarks [1],

Re: [tahoe-dev] making Tahoe nicer to hack on

2010-10-18 Thread Brian Warner
On 10/18/10 12:00 AM, Ravi Pinjala wrote: > > I'd even suggest that what you're suggesting for downloading the > dependencies is too much. The standard for *nix systems (in other > words, what users expect) is for the package to fail-fast at build > time if anything's missing, and let the package

Re: [tahoe-dev] Against DARCS - using the patch cache

2010-10-18 Thread Brian Warner
> On 2010-10-18 3:32 PM, Brian Warner wrote: >> - darcs is slow, hard to publish branches, hard to use local >> branches, Zooko just pointed me at the following tidbit: http://darcs.net/manual/Best_practices.html#SECTION0053 to turn on the global patch cache. The versi

Re: [tahoe-dev] [tahoe-lafs] #966: document munin plugins and make them discoverable

2010-10-18 Thread tahoe-lafs
#966: document munin plugins and make them discoverable ---+ Reporter: zooko | Owner: freestorm Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major

Re: [tahoe-dev] [tahoe-lafs] #1219: Visual changes on status web pages

2010-10-18 Thread tahoe-lafs
#1219: Visual changes on status web pages ---+ Reporter: freestorm | Owner: somebody Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: undec

Re: [tahoe-dev] Against DARCS

2010-10-18 Thread David-Sarah Hopwood
James A. Donald wrote: > On 2010-10-18 3:32 PM, Brian Warner wrote: >> - darcs is slow, hard to publish branches, hard to use local >> branches, hard to rewrite history before publishing, does not >> provide useful short secure versionids, is not widely available, is >> hard t

[tahoe-dev] brief high-level instructions regarding development process changes in the Tahoe-LAFS project

2010-10-18 Thread Zooko O'Whielacronx
Dear Everyone: Please feel free to jump in with your ideas and preferences. I want to have an easy and encouraging process that lots of people can contribute to, especially Brian Warner. Even though I hate using git, and I'm hoping to settle on some intermediate stage (at least temporarily) where

Re: [tahoe-dev] Against DARCS

2010-10-18 Thread Shawn Willden
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Raoul Duke wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:31 PM, James A. Donald > wrote: > > Such very high level languages will never produce usable software unless > > they report the order of the algorithm. > > ok, this is getting off-topic, but that must be a different

Re: [tahoe-dev] Authentication issues in Tahoe

2010-10-18 Thread James A. Donald
On 2010-10-18 10:01 PM, nirali modi wrote: hi, I am planning to use Tahoe for sharing documents among users. From what i have read and understood, it seems that Tahoe doesnt provide user authentication. If a person gets access to the file capability then she can access the file. Is th

[tahoe-dev] Against High Level

2010-10-18 Thread James A. Donald
You want to be on the leading edge, but not on the bleeding edge. You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs. Haskell and Darcs are on the bleeding edge - and similarly, there are too many very high level dependencies in Tahoe. While writing code in binary is perhaps a wee bit ard

Re: [tahoe-dev] Against DARCS

2010-10-18 Thread Raoul Duke
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:31 PM, James A. Donald wrote: > Darcs is written in the obscure boutique language Haskel.  Haskel is a very > high level language, which means that you specify problems at a level higher > than the precise algorithm, which means that Haskel may implement an > exponential

[tahoe-dev] Against DARCS

2010-10-18 Thread James A. Donald
On 2010-10-18 3:32 PM, Brian Warner wrote: - darcs is slow, hard to publish branches, hard to use local branches, hard to rewrite history before publishing, does not provide useful short secure versionids, is not widely available, is hard to build, has no good hosting servic

Re: [tahoe-dev] Authentication issues in Tahoe

2010-10-18 Thread Brian Warner
On 10/18/10 9:25 AM, Ravi Pinjala wrote: > Yes, exactly. The possession of the file cap *is* the authorization. > (As far as whether there are any plans to implement a more traditional > authentication method, like username/password: I don't think so, but > I'll defer to the much-more-experienced p

Re: [tahoe-dev] making Tahoe nicer to hack on

2010-10-18 Thread Myckel Habets
Hi, I've got to know about Tahoe-LAFS through the bitcoin forum. I've setup a topic about starting a tahoe-lafs grid within the bitcoin community for them to join and use. The few people within that forum that tried to install Tahoe-LAFS had some problems, largely caused by the things you mentione

Re: [tahoe-dev] [tahoe-lafs] #1223: got 'WrongSegmentError' during repair

2010-10-18 Thread tahoe-lafs
#1223: got 'WrongSegmentError' during repair ---+ Reporter: francois | Owner: somebody Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major

Re: [tahoe-dev] Authentication issues in Tahoe

2010-10-18 Thread Ravi Pinjala
Yes, exactly. The possession of the file cap *is* the authorization. (As far as whether there are any plans to implement a more traditional authentication method, like username/password: I don't think so, but I'll defer to the much-more-experienced people on this list.) --Ravi On Mon, Oct 18, 201

Re: [tahoe-dev] Tahoe-LAFS source now available on GitHub

2010-10-18 Thread Shawn Willden
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Brian Warner wrote: > Last night I pushed a copy of this git repository up to GitHub: > Yay! Darcs is okay, but git is faster, has a lot of tool support and I know it much better :) Not that I have any time for Tahoe hacking anyway :( -- Shawn _

[tahoe-dev] Authentication issues in Tahoe

2010-10-18 Thread nirali modi
hi, I am planning to use Tahoe for sharing documents among users. From what i have read and understood, it seems that Tahoe doesnt provide user authentication. If a person gets access to the file capability then she can access the file. Is this feature under the thought process..? -- Tha

Re: [tahoe-dev] making Tahoe nicer to hack on

2010-10-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Wow, i will have to digest all that. As a packaging ranter, I'll say that depending on 10 py-foo packages is not a big hassle as long as: most of those don't update constantly, and when they do the changes are minor (API/ABI compat, not a lot of churn in installed file organization) We

Re: [tahoe-dev] making Tahoe nicer to hack on

2010-10-18 Thread Ravi Pinjala
This sounds like a really worthwhile project! Especially the stuff about cleaning up the dependencies; I tried packaging Tahoe for Gentoo at one point, and gave up completely after a few hours, partly because of the number of dependencies unique to Tahoe (which I had to recursively package as well)