Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Howard Gibson via talk
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 08:50:35 -0500 "Stewart C. Russell via talk" wrote: > Right to Repair is important. I'm slightly disappointed by the general > reaction on this list. We'll spent lifetimes fiddling with software > configs to keep it running against all odds, but hardware gets short > shrift. I

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Gary via talk
Oh. /gary On 19-03-07 06:10 PM, David Mason via talk wrote: No, he dropped out of Reed college - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs But he was certainly not an engineer (to his credit). ../Dave On Mar 7, 2019, 5:15 PM -0500, James Knott via talk , wrote: On 03/07/2019 01:20 PM, Gary

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread David Mason via talk
No, he dropped out of Reed college - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs But he was certainly not an engineer (to his credit). ../Dave On Mar 7, 2019, 5:15 PM -0500, James Knott via talk , wrote: > On 03/07/2019 01:20 PM, Gary via talk wrote: > > Incidentally, some MBA's such as Steve Jobs,

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread James Knott via talk
On 03/07/2019 01:20 PM, Gary via talk wrote: > Incidentally, some MBA's such as Steve Jobs, do provide real value, > instead of relying on marketing hype, but sadly, in this age, many do not. Jobs was a MBA? --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Stewart Russell via talk
On Thu., Mar. 7, 2019, 12:24 Ansar Mohammed via talk, wrote: > > Please don't confuse this issue with the maker community or "tinkerers". > This is about empowering 3rd party repair of devices so that manufacturers > don't continue to gouge you for basic repairs. > I understand this, but the Rig

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Gary via talk
If you build a desktop and populate it with parts that you choose then you have a big advantage as you can replace parts willy nilly, if they break down. However, if, instead, you buy a laptop then you're at the mercy of the manufacturer. Incidentally, some MBA's such as Steve Jobs, do provid

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Gary via talk
If you build a desktop and populate it with parts that you choose then you have a big advantage as you can replace parts willy nilly, if they break down. However, if, instead, you buy a laptop then you're at the mercy of the manufacturer. Incidentally, some MBA's such as Steve Jobs, do provid

Re: [GTALUG] Local source for weird RAM

2019-03-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Wed, Mar 06, 2019 at 04:33:41PM -0500, Mike Kallies via talk wrote: > Here's a fun message: > > "Crucial currently does not have any compatible upgrades available for your > particular system" Yeah I checked there and I had never ever seen that message before. Wow that is weird ram. I guess t

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Ansar Mohammed via talk
An iPad battery service from Apple is $129 + taxes. When you walk in they will immediately try to up-sell you to a new iPad. The mall around the corner from my house has a store that will replace the battery for around $50. Please don't confuse this issue with the maker community or "tinkerers". T

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Peter King via talk
On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 08:50:35AM -0500, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: > > Right to Repair is important. I'm slightly disappointed by the general > reaction on this list. We'll spent lifetimes fiddling with software > configs to keep it running against all odds, but hardware gets short > shr

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Gary via talk
Its planned obsolescence. At one time many companies were run by engineers; sadly, now the MBA's are in charge so "the art of the scam" takes centre stage, which means that, rather than providing value, it is better to fool people into paying up for something that is of less value than is gene

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Don Tai via talk
It is not advantageous for hardware companies to make devices serviceable. A device that is not serviceable can be designed to be more cheaply manufactured. Consumers, apart from the geek crowd, don't seem to care about repairability when they flip their devices every 2-3 years. Batteries are also

[GTALUG] a programmer's humour

2019-03-07 Thread Gary via talk
I found this on the web and I split a seam laughing How To Write Unmaintainable Code Last updated Thursday, 18-Nov-1999 20:27:28 PDT by Roedy Green ©1997-1999 Canadian Mind Produ

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Giles Orr via talk
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 at 08:50, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: > On 2019-03-05 10:04 p.m., Howard Gibson via talk wrote: > > > > One of the basic rules of Design For Manufacture and Assembly is that > > you should not use screws. The preferred way is for everything to > > snap together. > > Sna

Re: [GTALUG] Ontario Bill 72: "Right to Repair"

2019-03-07 Thread Stewart C. Russell via talk
On 2019-03-05 10:04 p.m., Howard Gibson via talk wrote: > > One of the basic rules of Design For Manufacture and Assembly is that > you should not use screws. The preferred way is for everything to > snap together. Snaps are okay for a short time if you can access the service manual to see where