Re: [GTALUG] Debian 12

2023-06-20 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Giles Orr via talk | Long release cycles are a real mixed blessing ... Thanks for your note on debian 12 / bookworm. I'm personally interested in debian as a replacement for CentOS. (GTALUG is going to have a speaker from Rocky Linux in the next few months.) I'm not enculturated in

Re: [GTALUG] Debian 12

2023-06-20 Thread Giles Orr via talk
On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 at 16:16, Colin McGregor via talk wrote: > > I assume I'm not the only Debian GNU/Linux fan here. So, just of note > Debian 12 (code name: bookworm (for the non-Debian fans let me note > that major Debian releases get code names taken from characters in the > "Toy Story"

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Lennart Sorensen via talk | b/c could be read as b divided by c. After all we use ppi for pixels | per inch. "per" *is* a division. Of units 10 b/c * 3 c/pixel = 30 b/pixel 300 p/in * 8.5 in = 2550 p This kind of operation on units is called dimensional analysis. It is a very

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Scott Allen via talk | On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 10:40, James Knott via talk wrote: | > Is this documented anywhere? Sure the audio is sent over the cable, but | > why should there be such a thing as a blanking interval on a digital | > system? | |

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-06-20 15:06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: My understanding was that on a CRT it needed a bit of blanking time in order to have time to change the magnetic field so the beam could start at the begining of the next line. Whether you used composite sync or seperate H and V sync didn't matter,

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 15:07, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > After all we use ppi for pixels per inch. And miles per gallon is commonly MPG (though the metric standard reverses the terms and uses the slash; litres per 100 kilometres - L/100km). -- Scott --- Post to this mailing list

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 03:04:38PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > That's an odd resolution. Of course that makes your point clearer: > it's just arithmetic. > > But of course it is not. There is a certain amount of extra > jiggery-pokery added. > > My first post on this topic

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:16:05AM -0400, James Knott via talk wrote: > Other than a small bit about lip sync, there is nothing about syncing the > signal in that. Well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5acgSK0kWTE has a lot of details on how HDMI works. I don't think it says how audio and video

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Alvin Starr via talk | The bit rate going over HDMI would be something like: | Image height * Image width * pixel size * frame rate. | | So for an example:2048*1024*24*60 = 3,019,898,880bits/s | Add on to that the overhead for some number of audio channels. That's an odd resolution.

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread Stewart Russell via talk
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:24 AM Scott Allen via talk wrote: > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_blanking_interval#Vertical_blanking_interval_in_digital_video > > If one follows through that link, it seems we still have vblank because accessibility tools required it for timing and

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 6/20/23 11:16, James Knott via talk wrote: On 2023-06-20 10:50, Lennart Sorensen wrote: https://www.fpga4fun.com/files/HDMI_Demystified_rev_1_02.pdf gives a nice explanation of how it worked in HDMI 1.3.  2.1 just got rid of the dedicated clock to free up a 4th signal pair. Other than a

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 10:40, James Knott via talk wrote: > Is this documented anywhere? Sure the audio is sent over the cable, but > why should there be such a thing as a blanking interval on a digital > system?

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-06-19 18:04, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: Except varous things exploited them. Like whacking on GPU registers only during blanking intervals to avoid tearing. You may recall the Sinclair ZX80, which had a performance mode which killed the video.  If you wanted a display, you

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-06-20 10:50, Lennart Sorensen wrote: https://www.fpga4fun.com/files/HDMI_Demystified_rev_1_02.pdf gives a nice explanation of how it worked in HDMI 1.3. 2.1 just got rid of the dedicated clock to free up a 4th signal pair. Other than a small bit about lip sync, there is nothing about

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 10:40:31AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Is this documented anywhere?  Sure the audio is sent over the cable, but why > should there be such a thing as a blanking interval on a digital system?  > The blanking interval was used to sync the camera and TV.  There is > absolutely

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-06-20 09:23, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Supposedly HDMI is using some of the blanking space to send audio, so I guess it has some use. Is this documented anywhere?  Sure the audio is sent over the cable, but why should there be such a thing as a blanking interval on a digital system? 

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 03:11:44PM -0400, James Knott via talk wrote: > That doesn't make sense, especially when you consider how the digital system > works, with things like I, P and B frames. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_compression_picture_types Compressed video is not related to how

Re: [GTALUG] CVT-RB: another video mystery

2023-06-20 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: James Knott via talk | On 2023-06-19 18:04, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | > Is such compression part of what HDMI carries? For computer monitors? | > Almost all compression used in video is lossy -- not what I want for a | > computer monitor | | I don't know the details of what