Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-11 Thread Anirudh Zala
On Friday 12 January 2007 08:21, Jon Baer wrote: > There is an even harder part to this topic ... things that I have > written have always stayed w/ the client and even when I was not > freelance it was still really 'work for hire' ... *but* you can work > yourself into a bind because some larger m

Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-11 Thread Michael Sims
On Thursday 11 January 2007 6:48 pm, Dell Sala wrote: > I have a client that has run into a conflict with a previous > developer over the ownership of some php code, and it's brought up > some pretty big questions for me. > > When I am under contract to develop some custom code for a client, > who

Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-11 Thread Jon Baer
There is an even harder part to this topic ... things that I have written have always stayed w/ the client and even when I was not freelance it was still really 'work for hire' ... *but* you can work yourself into a bind because some larger media companies (like a Viacom) will have really s

Re: [nyphp-talk] Philosophy of Frameworks (Was: CAKE Ain't Soup!)

2007-01-11 Thread Jon Baer
On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:02 PM, David Krings wrote: Reading the posts from both sides I must say that each has some truth to it. The supporter who has some development experience is for sure the better supporter. But nothing straightens out a developer more than a bitching customer. That sai

Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-11 Thread David A . Roth
The best legal source for copyright in the US, is the US Copyright Office at: http://copyright.gov/ Copyright defaults to the author unless it is stated such as in a contract. If your contract has "work for hire" then you do not own the copyright, the company or person who hires you does. In

Re: [nyphp-talk] Shortcut key for a web form.

2007-01-11 Thread Kenneth Downs
P Yurt wrote: I would like to make a shortcut key for an existing form. How can I map a "shortcut key" to a button? I.E. I would like to be able to press "ALT-S" or "ALT ENTER" and have my "SEND" button actions occur... The accesskey property of an HTML tag can be very useful. We use the

Re: [nyphp-talk] Shortcut key for a web form.

2007-01-11 Thread Nazmul Hassan
i think its something called access keys or sometihng http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html On 1/11/07, P Yurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would like to make a shortcut key for an existing form. How can I map a "shortcut key" to a button? I.E. I would like to be able to press "ALT-

[nyphp-talk] Shortcut key for a web form.

2007-01-11 Thread P Yurt
I would like to make a shortcut key for an existing form. How can I map a "shortcut key" to a button? I.E. I would like to be able to press "ALT-S" or "ALT ENTER" and have my "SEND" button actions occur... Is this a JS thing or is there some other easy way to do this? If it is a JS thing is t

RE: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-11 Thread Michael Novak
Two words... Intellectual property. They may have code but are not the architect. -Original Message- From: "Keith Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NYPHP Talk" Sent: 1/11/2007 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code On 1/11/07, inforequest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Copyrigh

Re: [nyphp-talk] Philosophy of Frameworks (Was: CAKE Ain't Soup!)

2007-01-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nate Abele wrote: Ah, so you're a support puke, not an actual programmer. Yeah, that explains a thing or two. Anyway, in an effort to cut this discussion short, I'm going to simply suggest that you don't use Cake. Not now, or at any point in the future. I, as a core dev of the project, am

Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-11 Thread Keith Casey
On 1/11/07, inforequest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Copyright is not ownership. One can "own" something yet not have the copyright(s). One can control the copyright(s) of something without owning it. Correct. You can own a book but not own the copyright. You can manage (have permission to crea

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread David Krings
David Mintz wrote: This thread probably belongs on front-end but... no doubt but that tables are for tabular data. There's a nice SitePoint book about kicking the table habit: http://www.sitepoint.com/books/css2/. Forms are the one thing with which I haven't been able to get clean and sober, bec

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread David Krings
Cliff Hirsch wrote: And -- get this -- I just read that Outlook 2007 dumped its IE HTML rendering engine for Word's rendering engine, which will further break a whole heck of a lot of html emails. Interesting that MS wisens up. HTML is supposed to go to port 80, not 25. The person who ever

Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-11 Thread inforequest
Keith Casey mailinglists-at-caseysoftware.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote: On 1/11/07, Dell Sala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My own position on this as a freelance developer (never really discussed or documented in contracts), has been that any code I write, or open source code that I

Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-11 Thread Kenneth Downs
My contract states explicitly and without question that the code is solely owned by Secure Data Software, who are free to do with it whatever they want. This may sound extreme or unreasonable, but it is the only way to move forward as a custom shop, otherwise you end up in the hall of mirrors

Re: [nyphp-talk] Philosophy of Frameworks (Was: CAKE Ain't Soup!)

2007-01-11 Thread David Krings
Nate Abele wrote: Ah, so you're a support puke, not an actual programmer. Yeah, that explains a thing or two. Anyway, in an effort to cut this discussion short, I'm going to simply suggest that you don't use Cake. Not now, or at any point in the future. I, as a core dev of the project, am

Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-11 Thread Keith Casey
On 1/11/07, Dell Sala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My own position on this as a freelance developer (never really discussed or documented in contracts), has been that any code I write, or open source code that I install for a client belongs to the client -- as long as I can reuse the same code that

[nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-11 Thread Dell Sala
Hi all, I have a client that has run into a conflict with a previous developer over the ownership of some php code, and it's brought up some pretty big questions for me. When I am under contract to develop some custom code for a client, who owns the code after it is finished? I expect the

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread David Mintz
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What a beautiful quote: > > "In New York, the transit from beauty to desolation always proceeds > expeditiously, as if the universal principle of maximum efficiency had > advised suppression of any intermediary states." Nicely done! I think I would s

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread JJainschigg
What a beautiful quote: "In New York, the transit from beauty to desolation always proceeds expeditiously, as if the universal principle of maximum efficiency had advised suppression of any intermediary states." Isn't that right? I love Spanish -- where universal principles don't dictate, they

RE: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread Baer, Jon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've personally found this book to be an excellent resource on the topic ... CSS Mastery: Advanced Web Standards Solutions http://www.friendsofed.com/book.html?isbn=1590596145 - - Jon - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMA

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread csnyder
On 1/11/07, David Mintz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This thread probably belongs on front-end Yes! NYPHP has a special-interest list dedicated to discussing markup, css, javascript and the like. Of course, now that we're all web 2 point oh, the distinction is going away... http://lists.nyphp.or

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread David Mintz
This thread probably belongs on front-end but... no doubt but that tables are for tabular data. There's a nice SitePoint book about kicking the table habit: http://www.sitepoint.com/books/css2/. Forms are the one thing with which I haven't been able to get clean and sober, because aligning all th

[nyphp-talk] Escaping MySQL full-text boolean mode search phrase

2007-01-11 Thread Cliff Hirsch
How do I safely escape a search phrase string for a full-text IN BOOLEAN MODE search? Exampe: SELECT * FROM table WHERE MATCH (field) -> AGAINST ('"the phrase"' IN BOOLEAN MODE); If I use mysqli_real_escape_string, "the phrase" would become /"the phrase/" Ideas? Cliff _

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread Warren Myers
I pretty much just use text email. The HTML formatting is nice for some things, but most of what I write looks fine whether it's pure text or also HTML. My big reason for avoiding tables when at all possible is that I like changing layouts on personal (and even some work) sites semi-frequently. E

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread Rob Marscher
Usually if you avoid using tables for layout, you can drastically change the layout of your page without altering the html. If you keep to the indended use of the html tags, then the page should look somewhat ok if you turn off your styles altogether (which is maybe how it would look for someo

RE: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread Cliff Hirsch
>>I have to admit though... avoiding using tables for layout can really >>rack your brain in some situations and take more time to implement. So what's wrong with tables for layout other than all that "not semantically correct" religion stuff? It seems to me that both approaches are essentially f

[nyphp-talk] Philosophy of Frameworks (Was: CAKE Ain't Soup!)

2007-01-11 Thread Nate Abele
Heheh, the way I see it, it's kind of like raising kids: you're only responsible to a point. After that, it's in God's hands. ;-) Thanks for the donation, man. We'll put it towards hours worked on documentation. :-) - Nate I feel bad for writing the email that unleashed all this. So I

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread Rob Marscher
Yeah... the hack is necessary. Fortunately, IE's conditional comments provide a clean way to add css hacks for IE. a hello b Kenneth Downs wrote: Next time I'll put "simplified snippet" in bold 36pt, and I probably should have included the standard disclaimer, "for illustrative pur

Re: [nyphp-talk] Philosophy of Frameworks (Was: CAKE Ain't Soup!)

2007-01-11 Thread Brian Dailey
I feel bad for writing the email that unleashed all this. So I donated to the Cake Foundation. ;-) From my own pocket, mind you, not my employer's. Cake's been worth it for me. - Brian Nate Abele wrote: Ah, so you're a support puke, not an actual programmer. Yeah, that explains a thing or t

[nyphp-talk] Philosophy of Frameworks (Was: CAKE Ain't Soup!)

2007-01-11 Thread Nate Abele
Ah, so you're a support puke, not an actual programmer. Yeah, that explains a thing or two. Anyway, in an effort to cut this discussion short, I'm going to simply suggest that you don't use Cake. Not now, or at any point in the future. I, as a core dev of the project, am telling you that

[nyphp-talk] MySQL giveth, but sometimes only as source

2007-01-11 Thread csnyder
Catching up on blogs today, and saw Ilia's post[1] about the source-only releases of MySQL Community Server. Perhaps this is old news, but it seems that compiled binaries of MySQL are only going to be available for *some* releases. In other words, if you don't want to, or can't, build your own bi

[nyphp-talk] PHP & EDI

2007-01-11 Thread Brian Dailey
Is anyone aware of an EDI parsing program similar to this: http://edireader.sourceforge.net ...written in PHP? A Google search was unable to turn anything up. Thanks, Brian ___ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/li

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-11 Thread Kenneth Downs
According to my copy of Win 2003 and Firefox/linux, you are. Thanks! But here is a question, do you really need to wrap the IE 7 hack, is there harm in explicitly declaring that for all browsers? Rob Marscher wrote: Umm... and I a guru?? ;) -Rob "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-stri

Re: [nyphp-talk] Philosophy of Frameworks (Was: CAKE Ain't Soup!)

2007-01-11 Thread Kenneth Downs
Nate Abele wrote: Okay, I need to interject here, because I really don't think that's what Jeff is saying. I think Jeff is saying what I'm saying, which is if you'd like to dig into the source code to help us improve and expand on our documentation, that would be really *really* helpful. Fai

RE: [nyphp-talk] Fwd: PHPfr now open-source ... contribute!

2007-01-11 Thread Michael Novak
I am willing to help out. Please let me know what I can do. -Original Message- From: "Jon Baer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NYPHP Talk" Sent: 1/11/2007 8:20 AM Subject: [nyphp-talk] Fwd: PHPfr now open-source ... contribute! Not sure if anyone else uses this Widget, pretty handy for offline

[nyphp-talk] Fwd: PHPfr now open-source ... contribute!

2007-01-11 Thread Jon Baer
Not sure if anyone else uses this Widget, pretty handy for offline use. I may hack up one for CakePHP if I can wrap my head around Dashcode. - Jon Begin forwarded message: From: Andrew Hedges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: PHPfr now open-source ... contribute! Hi all, I wanted to let you