[nyphp-talk] [OT] - Gaming Computer w/ 21" Display For Sale CHEAP (Permission Granted For Post)

2007-01-12 Thread Joseph Crawford
Hello Everyone, I have a computer that I am selling here that is one hell of a deal. The system is approx 1 yr old and the display approx 7mos old. I am selling this for ONLY $900 + shipping costs. It's sad but I never use the system and I want to upgrade from the PowerMac G5 to the Mac Pro and

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-12 Thread Kenneth Downs
Rob Marscher wrote: I think the "proper" use of HTML tables is to display a list of things ordered into rows and columns. As Chris Snyder pointed out in a previous post in this thread, you can use it for a form of labels and inputs, or for thumbnails and descriptions, as well as traditional t

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-12 Thread Mark Armendariz
I would actually say some of the finer designers I've worked with prefer div/css because of the amount of control they're afforded and the speed at which they can update their designs, especially for multiple formats, which Rob mentioned. Tables are easier for specific layouts, but I've seen css

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-12 Thread Rob Marscher
I think the "proper" use of HTML tables is to display a list of things ordered into rows and columns. As Chris Snyder pointed out in a previous post in this thread, you can use it for a form of labels and inputs, or for thumbnails and descriptions, as well as traditional tabular data, and I'm

Re: [nyphp-talk] Philosophy of Frameworks (Was: CAKE Ain't Soup!)

2007-01-12 Thread csnyder
That's what I'm talggin about! And with the top post, too. Nice. On 1/12/07, Jeff Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yo... I got yah presentation righ here! On 1/12/07, csnyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/11/07, Jon Baer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yeah ... @ least we haven't seen o

Re: [nyphp-talk] So why is Ajax so fast?

2007-01-12 Thread Jon Baer
I feel kinda bad for him, its the greatest thing since sliced bread and he was going to charge a few bucks for it and everyone whined. Well worth more than any commercial debug tool on the market ... http://www.getfirebug.com/contribute.html - Jon On Jan 12, 2007, at 12:27 PM, csnyder wrot

Re: [nyphp-talk] Philosophy of Frameworks (Was: CAKE Ain't Soup!)

2007-01-12 Thread Jeff Knight
Yo... I got yah presentation righ here! On 1/12/07, csnyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/11/07, Jon Baer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah ... @ least we haven't seen one of these @ a NYPHP meetup (... > yet ...) > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/eugevon/130610241/ > Paging Jeff Knight, it'

RE: [nyphp-talk] So why is Ajax so fast?

2007-01-12 Thread Mark Armendariz
It definitely depends on how you're utilizing Ajax methods. On the client side, a page load including headers, tags, external files, image / object loading, any onLoad javascript, etc can be a rather heavy process for the browser as well as the network (firebug gives a good glimpse of all of this)

Re: [nyphp-talk] Philosophy of Frameworks (Was: CAKE Ain't Soup!)

2007-01-12 Thread csnyder
On 1/11/07, Jon Baer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah ... @ least we haven't seen one of these @ a NYPHP meetup (... yet ...) http://www.flickr.com/photos/eugevon/130610241/ Paging Jeff Knight, it's time for another presentation. -chris. ___ New

Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-12 Thread Dell Sala
Thanks everyone for your detailed responses. Great discussion! my understanding is that there was no prior discussion of code ownership, or even a contract -- only a brief, home-made copyright statement embedded in the source code after it was completed. In a case like this it sounds like t

Re: [nyphp-talk] So why is Ajax so fast?

2007-01-12 Thread csnyder
On 1/12/07, Cliff Hirsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Fascinating!!! This is about the coolest thing I've tried in a while. Never noticed the net tab before. But you noticed the live CSS editing, right? It ends the cycle of edit-save-refresh, edit-save-refresh. Joe Hewitt deserves the next Nobel

RE: [nyphp-talk] So why is Ajax so fast?

2007-01-12 Thread Cliff Hirsch
I feel better now -- my site's not the slowest. CNN -- 200 requests, 516KB, 13.39 seconds. Firebug is very sobering. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Hirsch Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:17 PM To: 'NYPHP Talk' Subject: RE: [nyphp

RE: [nyphp-talk] So why is Ajax so fast?

2007-01-12 Thread Cliff Hirsch
Fascinating!!! This is about the coolest thing I've tried in a while. Never noticed the net tab before. I just tried a few sites -- amazing results. My own site that I'm developing varies from 300ms for a cached page (why are those cached css and js files still taking so long) to more than 2 secon

Re: [nyphp-talk] So why is Ajax so fast?

2007-01-12 Thread csnyder
On 1/12/07, Kenneth Downs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is this correct? And if so, why is it so dramatically expensive to render a page from scratch, that Ajax could make such a dramatic improvement to the situation? I cannot recommend the Firebug extension for FireFox enough. It has a "Net" ta

Re: [nyphp-talk] So why is Ajax so fast?

2007-01-12 Thread Dell Sala
On a high traffic site, I supposed the lighter-weight processing and response of an ajax request could have a significant impact (although server-side caching would probably change that). But for the average site/webapp, I would question the assumption that ajax is in fact faster. Bandwidth

[nyphp-talk] Re: talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 28

2007-01-12 Thread Douglas Clifton
David Mintz wrote: > This thread probably belongs on front-end but... no doubt but that tables > are for tabular data. There's a nice SitePoint book about kicking the > table habit: http://www.sitepoint.com/books/css2/. Forms are the one > thing with which I haven't been able to get clean and sob

Re: [nyphp-talk] So why is Ajax so fast?

2007-01-12 Thread Jon Baer
This really depends on the library you are using and getting the server and XHR cache to work in sync w/ content-negotiated responses. There is a bunch of stuff if you Google "XHR caching". However I usually put this step in the "tuning" category when you are testing, there are a few teste

Re: [nyphp-talk] So why is Ajax so fast?

2007-01-12 Thread Dan Cech
Kenneth Downs wrote: > We've all seen the amazing results you can get when you start using > Ajax, they all come down to one thing: speed. > > Question is, how is such a speed-up accomplished? The standard answer > is that a complete trip to the server is averted, but this is not true, > in fact

[nyphp-talk] So why is Ajax so fast?

2007-01-12 Thread Kenneth Downs
We've all seen the amazing results you can get when you start using Ajax, they all come down to one thing: speed. Question is, how is such a speed-up accomplished? The standard answer is that a complete trip to the server is averted, but this is not true, in fact a complete cycle does occur:

Re: [nyphp-talk] And the HTML CSS guru is....

2007-01-12 Thread Kenneth Downs
Rob Marscher wrote: Usually if you avoid using tables for layout, you can drastically change the layout of your page without altering the html. If you keep to the indended use of the html tags, then the page should look somewhat ok if you turn off your styles altogether (which is maybe how it

RE: [nyphp-talk] [OT] Using SCP to Transfer Files

2007-01-12 Thread Peter Sawczynec
Gracias so much. That combination of escape and single quote did work. Thank you again. Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Dombrowski Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:19 AM To: talk@lists.nyphp.org Subject: Re: [nyphp-talk] [OT]

Re: [nyphp-talk] [OT] Using SCP to Transfer Files

2007-01-12 Thread Kenneth Dombrowski
i would guess: scp file.php [EMAIL PROTECTED]:'somedir/filedir/files\&pics/file.php' single quotes to escape it for the local shell + backslash to escape it for the remote shell On 07-01-12 08:10 -0500, Peter Sawczynec wrote: > When using SCP to transfer a file that uses an ampersand in th

[nyphp-talk] [OT] Using SCP to Transfer Files

2007-01-12 Thread Peter Sawczynec
When using SCP to transfer a file that uses an ampersand in the full file path name like so: somedir/filedir/files&pics/file.php ...the transfer fails because ampersand is a special command character to the application. How does one represent the ampersand in the file path so that SCP will igno

Re: [nyphp-talk] Ownership of Code

2007-01-12 Thread inforequest
Michael Sims jellicle-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote: Contractors that insist that they retain ownership of the code that I pay them to produce... would not be hired by me. Nor would I hire a wedding photographer who insisted that they owned the negatives to the pictures th