Re: [nyphp-talk] using PHP mail function on Windows server?

2008-04-23 Thread Tim Lieberman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgot, I was using the mail.mysite.com and the IP address for same with similar results and it worked beautifully until they blocked the SMTP port on me. I have had mixed results with windows sendmail clones. Fake Sendmail worked sometimes but crashed a lot so I stopped

Re[2]: [nyphp-talk] using PHP mail function on Windows server?

2008-04-23 Thread mikesz
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Re: [nyphp-talk] using PHP mail function on Windows server?

2008-04-23 Thread mikesz
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Re[2]: Spam: Re[2]: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread mikesz
Hello Kristina, > Unfortunately, there are few geniuses in HR :) HA! I'll second, third and fourth that one! I have seen many who thought they were ... LOL -- Best regards, mikeszmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ New York P

Re: [nyphp-talk] using PHP mail function on Windows server?

2008-04-23 Thread Kristina Anderson
Tim -- thanks -- I am 99% sure that it's not my code that's the issue...I will look into the below first thing in the morning. If it comes down to it, we can port the site to a new server if we can't make it work in this environment. -- Kristina > mail() used to work fine on windows (under

Re: [nyphp-talk] using PHP mail function on Windows server?

2008-04-23 Thread Tim Lieberman
mail() used to work fine on windows (under IIS, anyway) last time I had to deal with it (years ago). My suggestion: - Get an SMTP server hostname at your hosting provider - Use a better mail-sending system, like swiftmailer: http://www.swiftmailer.org/ (I think you can still get a reasona

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and thePHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Tim Lieberman
Following up on my own post, just to be clear -- I think a certification exam for web developers is impossible. And/or the fact that you know PHP inside and out doesn't make you worth anything on a real project. You can't reduce the breadth and complexity to a multiple-choice test. Such a setu

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Kristina Anderson
Really hope the questions about Left Outer Joins using COALESCE and how to get mail() to work on a Windows box aren't on the cert test?? Or I'm doo doo. :) PS I'm not sure how to say "fogged a mirror" in Latin but we can look it up! > on 2008-04-23 17:25 Peter Sawczynec said the following: > >

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
on 2008-04-23 17:25 Peter Sawczynec said the following: I believe the most beneficial PHP+ cert that we can strive for would be more on par with a Cisco cert. An acknowledged, industry heavy weight, Note that the lower-level Cisco certs (i.e. everything but the CCIE or its equivalent) now have

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and thePHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Tim Lieberman
Certifications about particular technologies are dumb, unless there's a certain amount of built-in complexity that justifies them (or not, but I don't know what Cisco certifications are like, etc). PHP is a small enough system that it doesn't warrant it. Any competent programmer can become sa

Re: [nyphp-talk] MySQL - SQL Question

2008-04-23 Thread John Campbell
> I used to be in the plural camp. But I've become fond of the singular > camp. That way the table can more easily match the names of the columns. > This makes things easier when it comes to making automatic tools for > sanitizing input and reverse engineering databases. Makes sense. I will

Re: [nyphp-talk] MySQL - SQL Question

2008-04-23 Thread Daniel Convissor
Hi John: > I am a bit stuck with legacy naming that is all over the place. Fun fun fun! > Is there a defacto standard for schema naming? There are loads of naming standards. I think very highly of Peter Gulutzan. The live version of the web page has been yanked, but Archive.org to the resc

Re: [nyphp-talk] using PHP mail function on Windows server?

2008-04-23 Thread Kristina Anderson
Thanks David, I found the following...is it worth trying to modify the ini file or should I start trying to use the Zend mail function and/or Outlook? //== Runtime Configuration The behavior of the mail functions is affected by settings in the php.ini file. Mail configuration options: Name

Re: [nyphp-talk] using PHP mail function on Windows server?

2008-04-23 Thread David Krings
Kristina Anderson wrote: Hi everyone -- My current client's app is a PHP 4 site running on a Windows box (don't ask...I have no idea why). Because it is a stable setup and typically outperforms a LAMPP stack. I use this since day one and even before my PHP time for both development and prod

RE: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and thePHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Peter Sawczynec
I'm sorry I left one thing out: I also muttered my way through many, many help files apparently loosely translated from the original Balkan on many, many unending moonless nights. -P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Campbell Sent: Wedn

RE: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and thePHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Peter Sawczynec
There is nothing silly in engendering some conversation around promoting an updatable cert that allows PHP to be constantly guiding programmers up to and in to the known needed skills most highly anticipated in the market today. I would like to clarify: 1) I originally suggested to simply use th

[nyphp-talk] using PHP mail function on Windows server?

2008-04-23 Thread Kristina Anderson
Hi everyone -- My current client's app is a PHP 4 site running on a Windows box (don't ask...I have no idea why). I'm trying to use the mail() function and the mail isn't cooperating. (Two things that I noticed in phpinfo() are that Internal Sendmail Support for Windows is enabled and the Z

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread John Campbell
This is sillyness in my opinion. All certs are fatally flawed. As soon as you write a good test, someone writes a better study guide. I personally think the latest Zend test would be hard to improve upon. If you think you can do better than Zend, Microsoft, et al, I think you are kidding yoursel

RE: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Peter Sawczynec
It would most likely benefit all if the questions/situations/reviews were based on very contemporary (if not forward looking) programming, i.e. the cert would be heavily weighted towards security, state/cookies/sessions, database related, file handling and uploads, and internet/SOAP/CURL. Maybe a

RE: Re[2]: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Peter Sawczynec
It would of course be very valuable to have a Computer Science degree that included actual hands on programming and multimedia. But then it would still be best to have an professional industry/association cert just like other serious technical/professional careers that involve consumer/business fin

Re: Re[4]: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Kristina Anderson
Mike -- I passed on the opportunity to take the Microsoft certs (back in my ASP/VB days). I thought the questions were assinine because the tests had nothing to do with real world programming tasks and were more rote memorization of factoids. Also I was convinced that those testing centers h

Re: Spam: Re[2]: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Kristina Anderson
I'd have to agree 100% that "in the trenches" experience and a track record of being paid to write solid code for many years is worth way more than any piece of paper, whether it be degree or cert or whatnot. Unfortunately, there are few geniuses in HR :) -Kristina > > > Some sound advice, G

Re[4]: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread mikesz
Hello Kristina, You are right. > --Kristina (B.A., 1985) :) My B.A. was in 1986. I am still a little suspicious about certification programs in general from what I have encountered as a Software Engineering manager even when I was at Microsoft. I frequently interviewed people with certification

Re: Spam: Re[2]: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Jim Hendricks
Some sound advice, GET THE DEGREE! When push comes to shove that is what give you credibility not some pie in the sky marketing hype that promises the moon and delivers chopped liver. You make that sound so easy. But then again, I'm not one of the ones pushing for certification but inst

Re: Re[2]: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Kristina Anderson
Mike -- 99.9% of the people posting on this list do have a university degree, from what I have seen! A lot of them have MS or PhDs, even. But, a 10- or 20-year old degree doesn't prove anything when it comes to current technology. A certification in current technology proves that you are know

Re[2]: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread mikesz
No matter how many certificates you stack on top of each other from Manhattan to the Moon, it STILL does not equate to a BScs degree. I see lots of people here bitterly complaining about legitimacy and yet the avoid the very thing that gives them instant credibility, the Degree. My very first expe

Re: [nyphp-talk] MySQL - SQL Question

2008-04-23 Thread PaulCheung
Naming conventions were once a hotly debated issue back in the day when mainframes ruled the universe. An old applications programming technique was to prefix identifier. For example the Users Table would be called users_table and each element in that table would be prefixed with ut (for users_

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread tedd
on 2008-04-23 13:16 tedd said the following: However, the problem as I see is two-fold: 1. What's required to become certified (obvious); Not so obvious; the various flavors of BSD unix have a large volunteer community going for BSD Unix certification, and they've only now starting to come to

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread tedd
At 1:42 PM -0400 4/23/08, Urb LeJeune wrote: 1. What's required to become certified (obvious); To you is obvious, to me not so obvious :-) I know I sound like a broken record but to me programming is not about syntax it's about logic and problem solving. No, you took the word obvio

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Bruce Martin
On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Urb LeJeune wrote: 1. What's required to become certified (obvious); To you is obvious, to me not so obvious :-) I know I sound like a broken record but to me programming is not about syntax it's about logic and problem solving. I would agree. I have

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
on 2008-04-23 13:16 tedd said the following: However, the problem as I see is two-fold: 1. What's required to become certified (obvious); Not so obvious; the various flavors of BSD unix have a large volunteer community going for BSD Unix certification, and they've only now starting to come to

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Urb LeJeune
1. What's required to become certified (obvious); To you is obvious, to me not so obvious :-) I know I sound like a broken record but to me programming is not about syntax it's about logic and problem solving. Many years ago Edsger Dijkstr, one of the giants of computer sci

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread tedd
Hi gang: It would be nice to be a certified programmer -- I'm certified in other professions and it helps somewhat. However, the problem as I see is two-fold: 1. What's required to become certified (obvious); 2. What are the qualifications of the governing body and its industry's support (n

Re: [nyphp-talk] MySQL - SQL Question

2008-04-23 Thread John Campbell
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Convissor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi John: > [snip] > Don't use sub selects unless really necessary. They kill performance. Yeah, that's why I knew what I was doing was wrong. > Also also, use a consistent naming convention. You've got plural > d

Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+ Developer

2008-04-23 Thread Ajai Khattri
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Ben Sgro wrote: > We've agreed on the Zend Framework, the zend modules and coding style I dont think we should favor one framework over another. -- Aj. ___ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman