Re: [nyphp-talk] MongoDB and others, convince me. :-)

2010-01-18 Thread Mitch Pirtle
Memcache is another great example, even if it is not persistent it is still a data store. Have you ever heard of a company hiring a "Memcache Administrator"? I mean, other than Facebook? :-) Looking around the others and feeling the same - CouchDB, hBase, MemcacheDB... These systems are expecting

Re: [nyphp-talk] MongoDB and others, convince me. :-)

2010-01-18 Thread Mitch Pirtle
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Justin Dearing wrote: > Mitch, > Dba is a hybrid dev/admin role, and can be a sysadmin's second hat. > However, even if you dumb down your database, you still need someone > to tune your data/index model. It is certainly possible to create an > ineffecient mongo cl

Re: [nyphp-talk] MongoDB and others, convince me. :-)

2010-01-18 Thread Justin Dearing
Mitch, Dba is a hybrid dev/admin role, and can be a sysadmin's second hat. However, even if you dumb down your database, you still need someone to tune your data/index model. It is certainly possible to create an ineffecient mongo cluster. It is also possible to incorrectly back it up, especially i

Re: [nyphp-talk] MongoDB and others, convince me. :-)

2010-01-18 Thread Ajai Khattri
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, Mitch Pirtle wrote: > 1) In the beginning, there were relational databases. They were big > and full of features, and it was desired to put as much "business > logic" in the database as possible - therefore a genuine need for > specialized support staff. > 2) Hello, World Wide

Re: [nyphp-talk] MongoDB and others, convince me. :-)

2010-01-18 Thread Gary Mort
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Mitch Pirtle wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Gary Mort wrote: > > > > > > A database is a database...they all have similarities, and the SQL part > is > > the least important part of being a DBA. > > This becomes more of a systems administrator thing th

Re: [nyphp-talk] MongoDB and others, convince me. :-)

2010-01-18 Thread Mitch Pirtle
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Gary Mort wrote: > > > A database is a database...they all have similarities, and the SQL part is > the least important part of being a DBA. This becomes more of a systems administrator thing though, doesn't it? MongoDB is a great example, as you can run it witho

Re: [nyphp-talk] IIS a dysfunctional kludge?

2010-01-18 Thread Daniel Convissor
Heya: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:50:12AM -0500, Chris Snyder wrote: > One thing I haven't seen on this thread: for those of you who develop > on Linux and deploy on Windows (or vice versa, more likely) how do you > deal with the differences in file names, line endings, and $_SERVER > vars? I deve

Re: [nyphp-talk] MongoDB and others, convince me. :-)

2010-01-18 Thread Gary Mort
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Justin Dearing wrote: > Gary, > > A cross specialized dba will not be out of a job with mongo, but a sql > admin will. > A database is a database...they all have similarities, and the SQL part is the least important part of being a DBA. Understanding about tunin

Re: [nyphp-talk] MongoDB and others, convince me. :-)

2010-01-18 Thread Justin Dearing
Gary, A cross specialized dba will not be out of a job with mongo, but a sql admin will. Your perspective (shared by me) is hard to see for those who are married to their specialities. However, I will add one caveat to your statement. When a system gets to a certain size, it behooves the IT team

Re: [nyphp-talk] MongoDB and others, convince me. :-)

2010-01-18 Thread Gary Mort
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:53 AM, I Dream in PHP < hypertextpreproces...@dynamicink.com> wrote: > Nobody else thought it was very revealing when someone shouted out "I like > my job" (assumedly a DBA job) as a reason not to use NoSQL?! I love MySQL > and NoSQL DBs certainly do not fit all projects,

Re: [nyphp-talk] MongoDB and others, convince me. :-)

2010-01-18 Thread I Dream in PHP
Nobody else thought it was very revealing when someone shouted out "I like my job" (assumedly a DBA job) as a reason not to use NoSQL?! I love MySQL and NoSQL DBs certainly do not fit all projects, but in the ones where it does fit it saves a huge amount of development time and makes the dedica