Re: [nyphp-talk] Pricing a PHP product

2011-04-03 Thread Michael B Allen
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: > So since the topic of what to charge per hour seems to be being > vigoriously discussed, I thought I'd throw something out there that's > bugged me for a while. > > How to price a PHP product. > > I'm starting my third PHP product (an appo

Re: [nyphp-talk] Pricing a PHP product

2011-04-03 Thread Matt Juszczak
To sum up my response to Mike, this is why I'm a big believer in Software as a Service (SaaS). Built it once, sell to many. -Original Message- From: Michael B Allen Sender: talk-boun...@lists.nyphp.org Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 23:30:01 To: NYPHP Talk Reply-To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [n

Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?

2011-04-03 Thread Edgar Reyes
Ted you hit the nail on the head, that's pretty much exactly what I do. ER -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of tedd Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 10:38 AM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesig

Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?

2011-04-03 Thread David Krings
On 4/3/2011 10:01 AM, Donald J. Organ IV wrote: So what your saying is after your QS person finds issues, they go into the code/design and fix it themselves?? Been there, done that and was important, because shortly after the developers got laid off and knowing how to fix things was very helpf

Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?

2011-04-03 Thread tedd
At 7:10 AM -0400 4/3/11, Kristina Anderson wrote: This poo poo stew then gets dumped into the lap of our hapless "QA Analyst" who is expected to work a miracle on par with parting the Red Sea by turning it into Tasty Texas Chili for distribution to the masses. Kristina: "poo poo" -- this tec

Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?

2011-04-03 Thread tedd
At 6:59 PM -0400 4/2/11, David Krings wrote: On 4/2/2011 3:32 PM, Michele Waldman wrote: In '99, I was making $70-85/hr as an Oracle/C Programmer. Interesting discussion, but what baffles me beyond repair is how much more developers are paid compared to QA or support staff. The difficulty of

Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?

2011-04-03 Thread tedd
At 3:32 PM -0400 4/2/11, Michele Waldman wrote: In '99, I was making $70-85/hr as an Oracle/C Programmer. The interesting thing is how much more you have to know to be a web developer, especially if you work on the front end and the backend. Know more, less money. Michele Know more, less

Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?

2011-04-03 Thread Frank Cefalu
A lead is a mentor. It is unfortunate if you work in a place where the lead blames others. I never did such a thing and always gave credit. You as a lead decide who is on your team and fight for that, for the same crappy code you mention I always hire mid to senior level otherwise I am going to s

Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?

2011-04-03 Thread tedd
At 3:21 PM -0400 4/2/11, Kristina Anderson wrote: $100 an hour is great but in many cases, you're not even approaching 40 hours or even 20 hours a week in billings. Any programmer should be good enough with math to see that consistent billing of 40 hours per week and less time spent on marketi

Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?

2011-04-03 Thread Kristina Anderson
We'd have to ask David to clarify, but from what he's posted, his responsibilities seem to extend beyond just finding the issues, yes...David? On 4/3/2011 10:01 AM, Donald J. Organ IV wrote: So what your saying is after your QS person finds issues, they go into the code/design and fix it them

Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?

2011-04-03 Thread Donald J. Organ IV
So what your saying is after your QS person finds issues, they go into the code/design and fix it themselves?? - Original Message - From: "Kristina Anderson" To: "NYPHP Talk" Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2011 7:10:42 AM Subject: Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth? The de

Re: [nyphp-talk] How much is a site redesign worth?

2011-04-03 Thread Kristina Anderson
The decision on what to build comes down from on high where some confab of management pinheads make decisions based on "wow this will make us rich if we hire some cheap labor to build it for us" and "my Uncle Frank told me PHP was the way to go while we were golfing last week". The tech lead t