Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

> > Just handle process priority, memory management, and open some > > sockets when asked. For the rest... stay out of the way. For god's > > sake don't try to maintain a "system" java that symlinks to the > > flavor of the month. Don't provide shared libraries. Don't provide > > printing services.

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:46 AM, P.Y wrote: > > Can you explain what you mean when you say "Debian's ever-more-complicated > filesystem" > > Mainly that some--but not all--shared libraries are being moved from /usr/lib into /usr/lib/, which makes hand-compiling a bit more difficult. Or take a lo

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

I am very interested in this kind of thing. So cool! On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Ajai Khattri wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:03:57AM -0400, Daniel Krook wrote: > > > And I don't mean to start a religious war, but if you were to set up a > > server only cluster of VMs to serve up your

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:25:00AM -0400, Hans Z wrote: > Actually, I take this back - it sucks. I just had the honor of setting up > Ubuntu for a project... I had to Google to find out how to get a command > line prompt in it's UI, and then sort through the Amazon/MP3/etc Why did you install a

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

David, Can you explain what you mean when you say "Debian's ever-more-complicated filesystem" Paul Yurt Systems Engineer // Media Technologist // RedNet Product Specialist On Jul 17, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Daniel Krook wrote: > > Chris, Ha

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:30:56AM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote: > The ideal OS would be something like MediaTemple's Grid Service, or > Google's App Engine, where someone else is managing the infrastructure and > underlying OS, and you get an isolated container with guaranteed resource > allocation

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:55:52AM -0400, Gary Mort wrote: > For desktop use, I switched to Linux Mint Mate. It is based on Ubuntu, > but it replaces their CPU intensive "Unity" desktop environment with a > modern version of "Gnome" which has a decent amount of eye candy without > impacting perf

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:03:57AM -0400, Daniel Krook wrote: > And I don't mean to start a religious war, but if you were to set up a > server only cluster of VMs to serve up your own production PHP apps, what > would you choose today and why? Interesting question. Imagine running your stack

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Daniel Krook wrote: > > Chris, Hans, I never made the leap myself, but isn't much of this why you > two advocate/d the BSDs for AMP development? What's the reason for either > of you considering Ubuntu/CentOS today? I made the switch from FreeBSD to Debian a fe

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:03:45AM -0400, Jesse Callaway wrote: > They're all terrible. Just handle process priority, memory management, and > open some sockets when asked. For the rest... stay out of the way. For > god's sake don't try to maintain a "system" java that symlinks to the > flavor of

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

Hello Chris, Hans, Jesse, > From: Hans Z > To: NYPHP Talk > Date: 07/16/2013 05:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu > Sent by: talk-boun...@lists.nyphp.org > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Jesse Callaway wrote: > >> Just handle process priority, memory management, and open some sockets >> when asked. For the rest... stay out of the way. For god's sake don't try >> to maintain a "system" java th

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Jesse Callaway wrote: > Just handle process priority, memory management, and open some sockets > when asked. For the rest... stay out of the way. For god's sake don't try > to maintain a "system" java that symlinks to the flavor of the month. Don't > provide shar

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

Check out the IUS community repo. They are up to PHP 5.5. http://iuscommunity.org/pages/About.html Leam On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Gary Mort wrote: > > I've consistently found the CentOS PHP package to be badly out of date, > which initially led me to using Ubuntu. However, just one

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

They're all terrible. Just handle process priority, memory management, and open some sockets when asked. For the rest... stay out of the way. For god's sake don't try to maintain a "system" java that symlinks to the flavor of the month. Don't provide shared libraries. Don't provide printing service

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Hans Z wrote: > > I am having a debate in our office over whether to continue with CentOS >>> distro for use with our VM based servers (XEN) or switch to Ubuntu. I have >>> kept the belief that RedHat is better for servers while Ubuntu is preferred >>> on the d

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:15 PM, leam hall wrote: > Easier to find stuff that works on RH/CentOS than Ubuntu. 95% of US Linux > deployments, give or take, are Red Hat. > > Ubuntu has a place, just not in the data center. Yet, anyway. They seem to > be working on that. > > I find it depends on wha

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Hans Z wrote: > >>> Actually, I take this back - it sucks. I just had the honor of setting > up Ubuntu for a project... I had to Google to find out how to get a command > line prompt in it's UI, and then sort through the Amazon/MP3/etc > advertisements on the de

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

> I am having a debate in our office over whether to continue with CentOS >> distro for use with our VM based servers (XEN) or switch to Ubuntu. I have >> kept the belief that RedHat is better for servers while Ubuntu is preferred >> on the desktop. I even have an Ubuntu desktop PC. Just wondere

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Darryle Steplight wrote: > I always compile PHP by hand. There are definitely extensions that are not > turned on by default that I may need turned on depending on the project or > feature i'm implementing. I guess that's off topic though. > > When that becomes an

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 03:03:33PM -0400, Darryle Steplight wrote: > I always compile PHP by hand. There are definitely extensions that are not > turned on by default that I may need turned on depending on the project or > feature i'm implementing. I guess that's off topic though. Usually in Ubun

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Daniel Convissor < dani...@analysisandsolutions.com> wrote: > Hi Hans: > > > Out of curiosity, are there examples? > > The grep package on a dev server I need to use is at 2.5.1 (after > running yum update). The version on my Ubuntu 12.04 box is 2.10. This remi

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

I always compile PHP by hand. There are definitely extensions that are not turned on by default that I may need turned on depending on the project or feature i'm implementing. I guess that's off topic though. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Daniel Convissor < dani...@analysisandsolutions.com> wr

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

Hi Hans: > Out of curiosity, are there examples? The grep package on a dev server I need to use is at 2.5.1 (after running yum update). The version on my Ubuntu 12.04 box is 2.10. --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y data intensive web and

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On 06/23/2013 12:21 AM, Ajai Khattri wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 09:38:34AM -0400, Hans Z wrote: Out of curiosity, are there examples? I compile PHP 5.4 regularly against recent releases of CentOS without issue - xml/gd/etc all work fine. I think the fact that you said "compile" speaks vo

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 09:38:34AM -0400, Hans Z wrote: > Out of curiosity, are there examples? I compile PHP 5.4 regularly against > recent releases of CentOS without issue - xml/gd/etc all work fine. I think the fact that you said "compile" speaks volumes... -- Aj. FaceBook: facebook.com/aja

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Daniel Convissor < dani...@analysisandsolutions.com> wrote: > Hi Folks: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 01:28:04PM -0400, Ronald Bradford wrote: > > > RH/CentOS is very behind in many LAMP products and the associated > > dependencies via package management, while Ubunt

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

Hi, On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Daniel Convissor < dani...@analysisandsolutions.com> wrote: > Hi Folks: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 01:28:04PM -0400, Ronald Bradford wrote: > > > RH/CentOS is very behind in many LAMP products and the associated > > dependencies via package management, while

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

Hi Folks: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 01:28:04PM -0400, Ronald Bradford wrote: > RH/CentOS is very behind in many LAMP products and the associated > dependencies via package management, while Ubuntu is much more up to date. I was going to say the same thing. RPM's are YEARS (literally!) behind. --

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 05:29:27PM -0400, Ronald Bradford wrote: > The second is the Linux family tree which is very interesting of the 3 > flavors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distributions and what versions > have spawned from others. I first ran Linux using the SLS distro - installing Li

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

To answer your question about Unix and Linux there are two good diagrams, first at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_like There is a similar diagram on the Linux page about the *nix family that shows the same thing. The second is the Linux family tree which is very interesting of the 3 flavors htt

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Ajai Khattri wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 03:53:43PM -0400, Rob Marscher wrote: > > > I'm using Ubuntu LTS for a NodeJS project that needed more recent > software. > > Basically, if you wanna play with "new" stuff like Node, MongoDB, > Gearman, etc you can't u

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 03:53:43PM -0400, Rob Marscher wrote: > I'm using Ubuntu LTS for a NodeJS project that needed more recent software. Basically, if you wanna play with "new" stuff like Node, MongoDB, Gearman, etc you can't use CentOS (or you build your own packages and manage all their depe

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Nicholas Hart wrote: > I am having a debate in our office over whether to continue with CentOS > distro for use with our VM based servers (XEN) or switch to Ubuntu. I have > kept the belief that RedHat is better for servers while Ubuntu is preferred > on the deskt

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 01:09:17PM -0400, Nicholas Hart wrote: > I am having a debate in our office over whether to continue with CentOS > distro for use with our VM based servers (XEN) or switch to Ubuntu. I have > kept the belief that RedHat is better for servers while Ubuntu is preferred > on t

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

If I needed a non-Linux OS it would probably be NetBSD. However, I'm partial to RH based systems as that's where I make my living. If things move to Ubuntu or FreeBSD, I'll head that way... Leam On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Hans Z wrote: > > I am having a debate in our office over whether

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

> I am having a debate in our office over whether to continue with CentOS > distro for use with our VM based servers (XEN) or switch to Ubuntu. I have > kept the belief that RedHat is better for servers while Ubuntu is preferred > on the desktop. I even have an Ubuntu desktop PC. Just wondered w

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

Hi, since you're more familiar and probably faster with Ubuntu go with it, if a necessity comes up you'll change it later. I personally prefer CentOS. Whatever Distros you chose use Chef, so on your local you'll be able to use Vagrant to create a development environment with the same configuratio

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On 06/19/2013 01:03 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Anthony Papillion > wrote: > > On 06/19/2013 12:41 PM, Jesse Callaway wrote: > > totally off topic, but food for thought - This is cool. But what the > > heck do they define Unix

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

+1 I now only deploy SuSe images that I've crafted myself -> http://susestudio.com/ On 6/19/2013 10:41 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Nicholas Hart > mailto:nh...@partsauthority.com>> wrote: > > I am having a debate in our office over whether to continue with >

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: > On 06/19/2013 12:41 PM, Jesse Callaway wrote: > > totally off topic, but food for thought - This is cool. But what the > > heck do they define Unix as? I really doubt many websites use Unix. Is > > Plan9 Unix? is OSX Unix? > > Probably on

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On 6/19/13 1:15 PM, leam hall wrote: > Easier to find stuff that works on RH/CentOS than Ubuntu. 95% of US > Linux deployments, give or take, are Red Hat. > > Ubuntu has a place, just not in the data center. Yet, anyway. They seem > to be working on that. That's strange because of the three compa

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On 06/19/2013 12:41 PM, Jesse Callaway wrote: > totally off topic, but food for thought - This is cool. But what the > heck do they define Unix as? I really doubt many websites use Unix. Is > Plan9 Unix? is OSX Unix? Probably one or more of the BSD's. I know a lot of people who use FreeBSD as thei

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On 06/19/2013 12:09 PM, Nicholas Hart wrote: > I am having a debate in our office over whether to continue with CentOS > distro for use with our VM based servers (XEN) or switch to Ubuntu. I > have kept the belief that RedHat is better for servers while Ubuntu is > preferred on the desktop. I eve

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

Hey Greg, work in several datacenters. The only odd one used a lot of SLES vs Red Hat. They used 95% SLES and the rest RH. That's just the Linux portions of datacenters; not including Unix or gameboys. Leam On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) < g...@freephile.com> wrote:

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Nicholas Hart wrote: > I am having a debate in our office over whether to continue with CentOS > distro for use with our VM based servers (XEN) or switch to Ubuntu. I have > kept the belief that RedHat is better for servers while Ubuntu is preferred > on the deskt

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

totally off topic, but food for thought - This is cool. But what the heck do they define Unix as? I really doubt many websites use Unix. Is Plan9 Unix? is OSX Unix? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) < g...@freephile.com> wrote: > http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/o

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http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux/all/all Greg Rundlett On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) < g...@freephile.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:15 PM, leam hall wrote: > >> 95% of US Linux deployments, give or take, are Red Hat. > > > Source? > > Gr

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

I see a lot of Ubuntu Server deployments for LAMP stack (probably more now then RH/CentOS/). As already asked, it's what you plan to run on the server that is more important. How to plan to install it (e.g. via source, or by package management)? RH/CentOS is very behind in many LAMP products and

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On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:15 PM, leam hall wrote: > 95% of US Linux deployments, give or take, are Red Hat. Source? Greg Rundlett ___ New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk http://www.nyphp.o

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+1 for Ubuntu with LAMP stacks. I made the switch from Centos to Ubuntu without any regrets on my servers. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Ronald Bradford wrote: > I see a lot of Ubuntu Server deployments for LAMP stack (probably more now > then RH/CentOS/). > > As already asked, it's what you

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

What runs on your servers? Do you find yourself using a lot of third party RPMS or custom compiled tarballs? Is the software you care about more up to date on ubuntu? Ubuntu has an install without X. Its been a while since I ran Xen VMs.. Its pretty much what is easier to manage for you. Generall

Re: [nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

Easier to find stuff that works on RH/CentOS than Ubuntu. 95% of US Linux deployments, give or take, are Red Hat. Ubuntu has a place, just not in the data center. Yet, anyway. They seem to be working on that. Leam On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Nicholas Hart wrote: > I am having a debate in

[nyphp-talk] CentOS v Ubuntu

I am having a debate in our office over whether to continue with CentOS distro for use with our VM based servers (XEN) or switch to Ubuntu. I have kept the belief that RedHat is better for servers while Ubuntu is preferred on the desktop. I even have an Ubuntu desktop PC. Just wondered what all