2009/12/20 Steve Bennett :
> Or decideous, decidous, deciduos, deciferous(!):
> http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/wood/
You also have to make assumptions here about non-native english
speakers, an extension might be to provide a translated list that can
be imported into editors that automatically translate
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:54 PM, John Smith wrote:
> In a way that probably happens to an extent, the renderers stop
> rendering a tag(s) so people start tagging differently as a result so
> their data continues to render.
>
But whatever they do, they never "tag for the renderer"...
I think it's
2009/12/20 Anthony :
> Yeah. At least the renderers have some sort of authoritative structure
> (presumably none of them say that "anybody is allowed and encouraged to add
> any code they think is useful", though I suppose a mapnik stylesheet could
They can submit any RFE they think to the bug tr
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:58 PM, John Smith wrote:
> Most of them might not have the technical skills or the inclination
> since someone else has already made something "good enough"
>
Of course. I think very few users have the technical skills. But I want
those who do, to be able to help the oth
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:54 PM, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/20 Anthony :
> > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Steve Bennett
> wrote:
> >>
> >> "OpenStreetMap does not have "deprecated features", as anybody is
> allowed
> >> and encouraged to use any tag they think is useful.
> >
> > Geez, with r
2009/12/20 Steve Bennett :
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, John Smith
> wrote:
>>
>> You're not the first to notice this either, came up a feww weeks/month
>> ago.
>
> Yeah, I see that one post on the mailing list, but no followup. Where are
> the keen cyclists of OSM clamouring for an *open* c
2009/12/20 Frederik Ramm :
> Given your respective locations maybe you could simply agree that Spain
> is roughly at the equator from your point of view?
I didn't know aussies had such bad geography knowledge :P
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2009/12/20 Anthony :
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
>>
>> "OpenStreetMap does not have "deprecated features", as anybody is allowed
>> and encouraged to use any tag they think is useful.
>
> Geez, with rules like that maybe it would be better to start tagging for the
> ren
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, John Smith wrote:
>
> You're not the first to notice this either, came up a feww weeks/month ago.
>
Yeah, I see that one post on the mailing list, but no followup. Where are
the keen cyclists of OSM clamouring for an *open* cyclemap?
Steve
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2009/12/20 Anthony :
> Reverse engineer it. And quick, before CC-BY-SA goes away, and tiles don't
> have to be released under a free license.
That would only matter for new tiles created under a new license, not
current tiles.
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2009/12/20 Steve Bennett :
> You're right. WTF? "OpenCycleMap", promoted on "OpenStreetMap" uses a
> closed-source stylesheet? I'm sure I'm not the only who fails to comprehend
> this.
You're not the first to notice this either, came up a feww weeks/month ago.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> This is particularly annoying to me as one of my major motivations in
> contributing to OSM is to work towards producing really good bike maps of
> Melbourne and surrounds. I'm shocked that I can't contribute to, or tweak,
> the OCM styleshe
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> *"OpenStreetMap does not have "deprecated features", as anybody is allowed
> and encouraged to use any tag they think is useful.*
>
Geez, with rules like that maybe it would be better to start tagging for the
renderers.
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> There are no deprecated tags in OSM because that would require an authority
> to deprecate them and we neither have nor want that.
>
> There are tags being used less in favour of other tags; there are tags
> slowly being replaced by other t
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Lennard wrote:
> This is completely separate from the rendering of nodes, where it will
> (as mentioned before) only render barrier=gate, nor of the completely
>
Also barrier=bollard.
>
> > Probably - I'll have a look. It's just a different stylesheet for Mapn
Hi,
Steve Bennett wrote:
> If there was an official list of deprecated tags, I would be very happy
> to highlight deprecated tags in the list.
There are no deprecated tags in OSM because that would require an
authority to deprecate them and we neither have nor want that.
There are tags being u
2009/12/19 Steve Bennett :
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Cartinus wrote:
>>
>> What this is also very good for, is pointing out all the "broken" stuff in
>> the
>> default Osmarender rules. Like the values for shop tags under amenity and
>> the
>> values for religion tags under denomination.
Steve Bennett wrote:
> As I read that, Mapnik will draw any barrier that is not a hedge as a
> black line. But as pointed out, this presumably only applies to ways
> because it's a LineSymbolizer rather than a PointSymbolizer.
You can also draw a polygon with a LineSymbolizer (drawing only the
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Dave F. wrote:
> This is looking useful.
>
> One thing it doesn't pick up on (& I'm not sure if it's possible) is to
> distinguish how a particular renderer deals with rendering areas.
>
> For instance pubs in Mapnik are rendered as POI's even if is mapped as an
>
Liz, Ævar -
>> Perhaps that's southern Spain in the "Sunny Florida" sense, all of it
>> being a tad southern.
>
> Now I'm getting more confused about your abilities in geography
> All of those locations are North
Given your respective locations maybe you could simply agree that Spain
is roughl
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> >> We'll all be basking in sunshine in southern Spain at the 4th Annual
> >> State of the Map on July 9-11, 2010.
> >
> > Would that be the bit of southern Spain that is in the north east corner
> > of the country? ;)
>
> Perhaps that's southern
I still have osm shapes from CloudMade. I use MobileMapperOffice to make
vettorial map for a Magellan Triton 200. Any users use MMO and can give
suggestions to make good maps?
--
www.openstreetmap.org - "Io mappo il mio quartiere, tu mappi il tuo, tutti
quanti insieme mappiamo l'intero pianeta"
Lennard wrote:
> Dave F. wrote:
>
>
>> barrier=* means that any barrier tag should be rendered, yes?
>>
>> It's listed that mapnik should pick this up, but it doesn't.
>>
>
> It does, but only for ways, not areas. Steve's list doesn't make that
> distinction.
>
>
I should have been clea
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 17:17, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/20 Steve Bennett :
>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Lars Francke
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Another limitation is that the data is from sometime in August 2009.
>>> I'm currently rewriting OSMdoc to be continuously updated and to
>>> include hi
Dave F. wrote:
> barrier=* means that any barrier tag should be rendered, yes?
>
> It's listed that mapnik should pick this up, but it doesn't.
It does, but only for ways, not areas. Steve's list doesn't make that
distinction.
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This is looking useful.
One thing it doesn't pick up on (& I'm not sure if it's possible) is to
distinguish how a particular renderer deals with rendering areas.
For instance pubs in Mapnik are rendered as POI's even if is mapped as
an area:
http://osm.org/go/eukOiNU7b--
To check I understan
2009/12/20 Steve Bennett :
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Lars Francke
> wrote:
>>
>> Another limitation is that the data is from sometime in August 2009.
>> I'm currently rewriting OSMdoc to be continuously updated and to
>> include historical data.
>>
> Cool, what do you mean by "historical
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Lars Francke wrote:
> Another limitation is that the data is from sometime in August 2009.
> I'm currently rewriting OSMdoc to be continuously updated and to
> include historical data.
>
> Cool, what do you mean by "historical data" though? Do you mean slices at
di
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 16:49, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Ulf Lamping
> wrote:
>>
>> There seems to be a bug, e.g.: shop=tailor is existing 62 times in the DB:
>>
>> http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/node[shop=tailor]
>>
>> but the corresponding row in your t
Incidentally, I'm keen to get this information included in the map features
table. I did a mockup of what it would look like for one group of features:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Stevage/cycleway
I picked cycleway because it was short :) It would be more interesting for
other feature
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Cartinus wrote:
>
> What this is also very good for, is pointing out all the "broken" stuff in
> the
> default Osmarender rules. Like the values for shop tags under amenity and
> the
> values for religion tags under denomination.
>
> They are redlinked, not suppo
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote:
>
> There seems to be a bug, e.g.: shop=tailor is existing 62 times in the DB:
>
> http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/node[shop=tailor]
>
> but the corresponding row in your table shows no value.
>
Whoops, forgot to mention the third lim
El Sábado, 19 de Diciembre de 2009, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason escribió:
> >> We'll all be basking in sunshine in southern Spain at the 4th Annual
> >> State of the Map on July 9-11, 2010.
> >
> > Would that be the bit of southern Spain that is in the north east corner
> > of the country? ;)
>
> Perha
2009/12/20 Ulf Lamping :
> You are talking about how the OSM world is - as you see it from your point
> of view. This will *always* be subjective, regardless of who is doing this
> judgement.
See below.
> The past has shown that a lot of stuff according to OSM tagging is disputed
> (e.g. the abut
Hello,
I welcome all people interested proposal of very nice and usefull
proposal, which would cover many case s when we need to represent
hierarchies on the map of any kind (geographical areas, religional
districts, administrative territories, zip codes, ...).
After many discussion I think that
Am 19.12.2009 15:56, schrieb John Smith:
> No, I'm talking what has happened recently, I'm not talking about
> speculating into the future, I'm talking about setting a cut off point
> that doesn't make sense to keep looking at old data because of many
> reasons already pointed out in this email.
2009/12/20 Ulf Lamping :
> It's up to you to write a tool like this. I would probably love it.
Steve was asking for suggestions to improve his, why do I need to do
yet another tool simply for the sake of it?
> But I want to avoid the problems that arises when someone stands up and
> judges whats
On Saturday 19 December 2009 14:45:21 John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/19 Ulf Lamping :
> > It's not up to a "statistical tool" to judge about tags in this way.
>
> Then do it right and include details of the last 6 weeks or so etc,
> are you interested in what's current or what was current 2 years ago?
Am 19.12.2009 14:45, schrieb John Smith:
> 2009/12/19 Ulf Lamping:
>> It's not up to a "statistical tool" to judge about tags in this way.
>
> Then do it right and include details of the last 6 weeks or so etc,
> are you interested in what's current or what was current 2 years ago?
It's up to you
2009/12/19 Ulf Lamping :
> It's not up to a "statistical tool" to judge about tags in this way.
Then do it right and include details of the last 6 weeks or so etc,
are you interested in what's current or what was current 2 years ago?
> I want to see what *is* in use by renderers, documented in th
Am 19.12.2009 14:28, schrieb Cartinus:
> On Saturday 19 December 2009 13:18:25 Steve Bennett wrote:
>> After all, knowing which unsupported tags are being used is one of the main
>> purposes of this exercise.
>
> What this is also very good for, is pointing out all the "broken" stuff in the
> defau
Am 19.12.2009 14:06, schrieb John Smith:
> 2009/12/19 Steve Bennett:
>> Anyway, have a look, and as usual, let me know if anything doesn't look
>> right. Any suggestions for further improvement welcome.
>
> You've included tags, like abutters, that are supposed to be phased
> out because they're no
On Saturday 19 December 2009 13:18:25 Steve Bennett wrote:
> After all, knowing which unsupported tags are being used is one of the main
> purposes of this exercise.
What this is also very good for, is pointing out all the "broken" stuff in the
default Osmarender rules. Like the values for shop t
2009/12/19 Steve Bennett :
> Anyway, have a look, and as usual, let me know if anything doesn't look
> right. Any suggestions for further improvement welcome.
You've included tags, like abutters, that are supposed to be phased
out because they're now redundant because of landuse=*
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Am 19.12.2009 13:18, schrieb Steve Bennett:
> Hi all,
>Thanks to Lars' help, my table of cross-renderer tag support now
> includes stats from OSMdoc. This is a huge step forward in understanding
> not only which tags are recognised by the various renderers and editors,
> but how much they're ac
Hi all,
Thanks to Lars' help, my table of cross-renderer tag support now includes
stats from OSMdoc. This is a huge step forward in understanding not only
which tags are recognised by the various renderers and editors, but how much
they're actually used in the database. A count of distinct values
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 07:25, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Hurricane
> wrote:
>>
>> We'll all be basking in sunshine in southern Spain at the 4th Annual State
>> of the Map on July 9-11, 2010.
>
> Would that be the bit of southern Spain that is in the north ea
Mike Harris
> -Original Message-
> From: tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org
> [mailto:tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Greg Troxel
> Sent: 18 December 2009 13:48
> To: Paul Johnson
> Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; tagg...@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk]
Fabri gmail.com> writes:
>
> Does anybody use MobileMapperOffice to make vettorial maps from OSM shapes?
Hi,
I have used MobileMapper CE devices only with other software than
MobileMapperOffice. I believe that the easiest way for you too might be to
convert OSM data first into shapefiles.
-Ju
Michael musset gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> thanks, but i get the same error for python script :Traceback (most recent
call last): File "ogr2osm.py", line 74, in ? import ogrImportError: No
module named ogrand it is weird because i 've already installed python-gdal
package
Hi,
Install FW
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