Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/27 John Smith : > 2009/12/27 Anthony : >> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, John Smith >> wrote: >>> >>> 2009/12/27 John Smith : >>> > In Australia there is this legacy speed limit sign for people with >>> > racing licenses that they can drive any speed they wish, everyone else >>> > is li

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/27 Anthony : > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> 2009/12/27 John Smith : >> > In Australia there is this legacy speed limit sign for people with >> > racing licenses that they can drive any speed they wish, everyone else >> > is limited to 100, how exactly do you

Re: [OSM-talk] Google launches "Indigenous Mapping" workshop

2009-12-26 Thread MP
> But what if that population then consists entirely of Map Maker users? > Is that really beneficial for OSM? I know what you're saying, but it > is reasonable to expect Map Maker users to jump ship to OSM? Is that > even what we should be hoping for? If just one of them discovers OSM somehow,

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Anthony wrote: > > I'm perfectly fine with letting the people in council waste their time with > subjective categorization and then either 1) copying the results, if they > have some sort of legal distinction; or 2) ignoring them altogether, if they > don't. If yo

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/12/27 John Smith : > > In Australia there is this legacy speed limit sign for people with > > racing licenses that they can drive any speed they wish, everyone else > > is limited to 100, how exactly do you map that? (and I saw one such >

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/27 John Smith : > In Australia there is this legacy speed limit sign for people with > racing licenses that they can drive any speed they wish, everyone else > is limited to 100, how exactly do you map that? (and I saw one such > sign only the day before yesterday). Sorry, I meant to post

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/27 Anthony : > I have this insane theory that if the renderers just outright refused to > color roads without speed limit tags, these tags would get added a lot > quicker.  Once you have roads and speed limits, the question of "which roads > are the quickest way to go usually" can be determ

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:56 AM, John Smith wrote: > It isn't the most objective way to do things, but then it's going to > be subjective somewhere, the only difference is if you make the > decision or someone in council does. > I'm perfectly fine with letting the people in council waste their ti

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/27 Anthony : > That said, I personally find the highway tagging guidelines difficult to > apply anyway.  In states without formal legal road classifications we might > as well mark everything except motorways and service roads as "road" for all > I can tell.  Anything else is just tagging f

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] [Talk-de] DVB-T Empfa ngsqualität in OSM mappen

2009-12-26 Thread Peter Körner
I don't think this is something that should go into the osm db for the same reasons we don't want e.g. air pollution: - it can change within days - it's not fixed on the ground - it's not easy verifiable by a mapper - it's different for different people (4st floor vs. basement) This is s

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > I gather the convention is to mark any unsurveyed road which one has some > information as simply "highway=road", on the basis that you know nothing > else about it. > Looking at the highway tagging guidelines for Australia ( http://wiki.op

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/27 Steve Bennett : > I gather the convention is to mark any unsurveyed road which one has some > information as simply "highway=road", on the basis that you know nothing > else about it. But what about when the information comes from high quality > imagery (like nearmap in australia)? I've

[OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread Steve Bennett
I gather the convention is to mark any unsurveyed road which one has some information as simply "highway=road", on the basis that you know nothing else about it. But what about when the information comes from high quality imagery (like nearmap in australia)? I've been mapping these as "highway=resi

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-de] DVB-T Empfangsqualität in OSM mappen

2009-12-26 Thread Max
just make it 2-D. make an layer/tag for DVB-T quality Make it anywhere green with this layer, which means good quality with room antenna anywhere. then users can - if they like - map blue (roof antenna needed) and red (no recieve) all their POI s. Setting a POI for DVB-T should mean, that the layer

Re: [OSM-talk] planet.openstreetmap.org

2009-12-26 Thread Lennard
Jeremy Adams wrote: > It's back up now, but had been completely unresponsive since about 9:45 > EST on all three ISPs I have access to. > > Maybe it was just an east coast US thing... #osm (CET times): [03:35] something's up with planet.openstreetmap.org. I can get the main listing, but not

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/26 Frederik Ramm : > Right. So you're not saying that encrypted tile access would do anything to > fix this situation. Good, because that's my opinion also. I wasn't asking for encrypted access to tiles (although it would be nice), I only ever mentioned things like APIs and GPX uploads and

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/26 Frederik Ramm : > 1. What do we want to protect? This depends who you ask. > 2. Whom do we need to protect us against? At this stage mostly spammers, accidental incidents and malcious incidents, but with current growth rates is the level of current issues going down or up? Will new pr

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: > 2009/12/26 Frederik Ramm : >> Do you now suggest that OSM should encrypt tile access, or do you suggest >> OSM should ignore those people who are "willing to go to such lengths to >> protect their privacy"? > > I'm just pointing out what people have done in the past and wh

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matt Amos wrote: > as with any security measure, to minimise your risk you need to be > aware of the security horizon (which will depend on what your attack > profile is) and change your authentication details regularly. I think any security discussion should start with a threat assessment:

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/26 Frederik Ramm : > Do you now suggest that OSM should encrypt tile access, or do you suggest > OSM should ignore those people who are "willing to go to such lengths to > protect their privacy"? I'm just pointing out what people have done in the past and what they could do in future, alth

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: > I just thought of another situation, when sites don't protect users' > privacy someone usually comes up with a firefox extension to protect > their own privacy, in this case you'd generate noise by making a lot > of fake requests for tiles in 2, 3, or even 10 other location