Re: [OSM-talk] Two different ways with the same nodes?

2010-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, ed...@billiau.net wrote: > For example where an admin boundary follows the coast > one way for the coast > one way for the admin boundary This is a somewhat special case; normally, an admin boundary will be backed by a multipolygon relation, and at least hereabouts (.de) we tend to simply s

Re: [OSM-talk] Two different ways with the same nodes?

2010-02-10 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
I think that areas that share nodes with other areas and especially with ordinary roads, create a lot of extra work when something has to be edited. I think that every object should stand on it's own, and if there is a relation between the two, well, eh , use a relation. Gert Gremmen -

Re: [OSM-talk] Two different ways with the same nodes?

2010-02-10 Thread edodd
> Hello, > > Is it allowed (or intended) that two different ways share the same > edges? For example: > there are nodes a, b, c and two ways A, B with: > A = (a, b, c) > B = (c, b, a) > > While loading some osm data in a database i realized that there are some > ways with this "problem", so > is th

Re: [OSM-talk] Two different ways with the same nodes?

2010-02-10 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Stefan Pflumm wrote: > While loading some osm data in a database i realized that there are some > ways with this "problem", so > is this a correct feauture or a mapping error? Anything is allowed, anything that does something useful will materialise the individual ways anywa

[OSM-talk] Two different ways with the same nodes?

2010-02-10 Thread Stefan Pflumm
Hello, Is it allowed (or intended) that two different ways share the same edges? For example: there are nodes a, b, c and two ways A, B with: A = (a, b, c) B = (c, b, a) While loading some osm data in a database i realized that there are some ways with this "problem", so is this a correct feaut

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Mike Collinson wrote: > If any one is interested in what the changes are and why, I'll be writing to > the legal-talk list shortly. *waits patiently* ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Gervase Markham
On 09/02/10 17:06, Mike Collinson wrote: > At the moment, we are trying to address some concerns raised by OSM > and OSMF members about the new Contributor Terms. These have been > slightly modified and the latest version can be seen here > http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Ter

[OSM-talk] More about OSM and SpatiaLite

2010-02-10 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Hi, I just noticed that SpatiaLite actually supports OSM format in the version 1.4 release candidate. It can read osm xml format and even do routing. There is a tutorial online at http://www.gaia-gis.it/spatialite-2.4.0/Using-Routing.pdf ___ talk ma

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Stefan de Konink wrote: > Is goes 'edited the project' then as far as 'wrote a > wikipage', 'submitted a bug', 'edited the source'. > > Or is exclusively to geo-data? We're only talking about the licensing of geodata here. There's no reasoning for a coder to have a say over data which they have

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > This is much better. Really pleased to see this. I especially like the you ("You") bit. It sounds so ... legal. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Stefan de Konink wrote: > Does this mean that an active contributor is such without an OSMF > membership? Of course. There are many in OSMF who would actually like to implement this the other way round - anyone who is an active contributor is automatically an OSMF member. But this is not p

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Stefan de Konink
Op 10-02-10 15:19, Grant Slater schreef: > On 10 February 2010 14:09, Stefan de Konink wrote: > >> a contributor (whether using a single or multiple accounts) who has >> edited the Project in any 3 calendar months from the last 6 months (i.e. >> there is a demonstrated interest over time); and >>

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Grant Slater
On 10 February 2010 14:09, Stefan de Konink wrote: > a contributor (whether using a single or multiple accounts) who has > edited the Project in any 3 calendar months from the last 6 months (i.e. > there is a demonstrated interest over time); and > has maintained a valid email address in their re

Re: [OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave F. wrote: > What's the 'flashing' nodes for? It appears to be for new nodes only. > Is it just to highlight that they're new or is there something else? It's for dupe nodes. But there was a bit of a cockup on my part earlier where newly saved ones were getting it too - ooops. cheers Rich

Re: [OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread Dave F.
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > == Other stuff == > > I've also added a feature to "unjoin" junctions. (I think JOSM users > call this "unglue"). This is, logically enough, shift-J. > > And this really is the last major improvement to Potlatch 1.x before > 2.0, except for one more thing that's coded

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Stefan de Konink
Op 10-02-10 14:57, Richard Fairhurst schreef: > > Michael Collinson wrote: >> At the moment, we are trying to address some concerns raised by OSM and >> OSMF members about the new Contributor Terms. These have been slightly >> modified and the latest version can be seen here >> http://www.osmfound

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Michael Collinson wrote: > At the moment, we are trying to address some concerns raised by OSM and > OSMF members about the new Contributor Terms. These have been slightly > modified and the latest version can be seen here > http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms This is m

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 February 2010 23:45, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Truth is, you can legally be an asshole. I wasn't comment on the ethics of doing so, merely if it could be done legally, the sticking point here is people that won't respond and what to do about their past contributions, not about people that obje

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: > If the reason for changing licenses is because cc-by isn't applicable > for geodata doesn't that mean that essentially the current data can > just be converted to ODBL without needing "written" permission to > change it? This has been said about 150 times, by various peopl

Re: [OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread Greg Troxel
Has someone done a bot edit to fix the duplicate nodes in Massachusetts resulting from the MassGIS import being segmented at town boundaries. There are a lot of dups still, but they look like neighboring open space polygons mostly. pgpN6F1HDSmmJ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 February 2010 23:17, Pieren wrote: > But now, the OSMF should speed-up the transition ! We are many contributors > that are reluctant to modify or improve existing data because of the threat > that many old or minor contributions will disappear - not because people > will reject the new lice

Re: [OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread SomeoneElse
Works great (once I actually read the whole mail figured out I had to press "j" not "J")! One question though - would it be possible, where the duplicate nodes form part of a duplicate way (with exactly the same tags) to delete the duplicate way as well? These changesets show an example of t

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Mike Collinson wrote: > The next step is introduce "dual licensing" for *new* OpenStreetMap > contributors as soon as possible. When they register, they will be asked to > license their contributions under both CC-BY-SA and ODbL until and when the > ODbL is finall

[OSM-talk] Colombian Mission in Haiti

2010-02-10 Thread ouɐɯnH
Eleven days working in Haiti with 128 rescuemens from six Colombian institutions and relief agencies was a difficult experience and unforgettable. Georeferencing is a tool to move quickly in a country destroyed and also unknown. I was able to use OSM maps on my GPS. Thanks to everyone who has hel

Re: [OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread Lester Caine
Mike N. wrote: >> A very good idea to see what the duplicates are first. >> some are multiple different nodes occupying the same place. > > +1 - please don't merge duplicate nodes which join 'roads' to admin > boundaries it's difficult enough to drag roads out from under admin > ways to co

Re: [OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread Mike N.
> A very good idea to see what the duplicates are first. > some are multiple different nodes occupying the same place. +1 - please don't merge duplicate nodes which join 'roads' to admin boundaries it's difficult enough to drag roads out from under admin ways to correct them as it is. _

Re: [OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 February 2010 21:13, Stefan de Konink wrote: > For example antenna's in the same tower at different heights. Does Matt's code evaluate node tags at all, or only the lat/lon? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread Stefan de Konink
Op 10-02-10 11:31, Liz schreef: > A very good idea to see what the duplicates are first. > some are multiple different nodes occupying the same place. For example antenna's in the same tower at different heights. Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@open

Re: [OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread Liz
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I've just added a bunch of dupe-fixing features to Potlatch. So when > you've used Matt's map to identify some dupes, click 'Edit in > Potlatch' and sign in as per usual. > some dupes are legitimate (eg Wallaga Lake in NSW, Australia) > To see w

[OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
We have a bit of a push on at the moment to eliminate duplicate nodes - i.e. where there's erroneously two nodes in the exact same place, which should be a single node so they're joined. == Identifying duplicate nodes == Some of you will have seen Matt's map, which shows "dupes" and is upda

[OSM-talk] new mapgen.pl version 0.06

2010-02-10 Thread Gary68
hi, there is a new mapgen version 0.06 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapgen.pl -help option -font families and real font sizes, offset from line can be given -grid color can be set -multipolygone with holes supported -style file adapted (new format!) cheers gerhard _