Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 13/mar/2014 um 00:28 schrieb "Frank Little" : > > We model bridges and tunnels in a specific way in OSM which means we do not > need to add additional layer tags (but feel free if you do want to). IMHO we do not yet model explicit bridges or tunnels at all, we only add attributes to roa

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 13.03.2014 00:28, Frank Little wrote: > Tobias Knerr wrote: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/default_layer_for_bridge_and_tunnel >> [...] > This is however not the "implicit layer tags" argument which Richard Z. > gives, which he suggests means:. "so every tunnel and bridg

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie alert

2014-03-13 Thread SomeoneElse
Bryce Nesbitt wrote: The "entry level editor" could reasonably limit new users to "entry level edits". Messing with anything with a relation is not a first edit kind of activity. What if the entry level editor said "hey, this is too complex, map something else and gain some experience and come

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:layer update

2014-03-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 09:06:41PM -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: > Pieren writes: > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Frank Little wrote: > > > Richard Z wrote > > > > > As mapped, the waterway=stream (Way #138911739) runs underground > (layer=-1), > > > probably through a culvert given the wa

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21221 > > Looking forward to your comments, No, thanks, the licence is good as it is. -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://list

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Alex Barth
Hello everyone - I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental effects of OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) for a while and finally decided to, um, share. I've been listening long to many OpenStreetMappers I respect a ton telling me it's not so bad and it's just what we're stuck with

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread THEVENON Julien
De : Alex Barth Hello everyone - I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental effects of OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) for a while and finally decided to, um, share. I've been listening long to many OpenStreetMappers I respect a ton telling me it's not so ba

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Paweł Paprota
Read this and substitute OSM for Wikipedia: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/13/google_stabs_wikipedia_in_the_front/ The moral is: if you're a contributor to an "open" web resource, then beware: the hippy ethos simply marks you out as a mug. Unless you protect and license your work, you *wil

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Alex Barth wrote: > Hello everyone - > > I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental effects of > OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) for a while and finally decided > to, um, share. I've been listening long to many OpenStreetMappers I respect > a to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Ian Dees
Richard Weait wrote > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Alex Barth < > alex@ > > wrote:> Hello everyone ->> I've been sitting on writing about the > detrimental effects of> OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) for a > while and finally decided> to, um, share. I've been listening long to man

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread yvecai
Oh yes yes yes, let's have some real fun again, let's change the Licence ! Yves On 03/13/2014 03:26 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Hello everyone - I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental effects of OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) for a while and finally decided to, um, share. I'

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 13.03.2014 15:31, Simone Cortesi wrote: >> Looking forward to your comments, > > No, thanks, the licence is good as it is. Far from it, there's a lot that's wrong with the ODbL: First of all, it's too hard to understand. Even on legal-talk, you often don't get useful statements about what is

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Fernando Trebien
Under which license would you share it? And why? OSM offers you so many opportunities, I wonder what could be missing. On Mar 13, 2014 11:28 AM, "Alex Barth" wrote: > Hello everyone - > > I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental effects of > OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) f

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Simon Poole
I wrote an unpublished blog article a week ago (obviously not in response to post of Alex) that I've put online now http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/21225 It might be of interest where IMHO Alex didn't get it quite right. Simon ___

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 13 March 2014, Tobias Knerr wrote: > > > > No, thanks, the licence is good as it is. > > Far from it, there's a lot that's wrong with the ODbL: > > First of all, it's too hard to understand. Even on legal-talk, you > often don't get useful statements about what is and what isn't > allow

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Simon Poole
Besides predicting that exactly that would happen with Wikipedia once google started providing WP based excerpts, I don't think that it is really an argument pro/con any specific licence*. WP historically was the sole consumer and distributor of WP data of note, in the case of OSM that has bee

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Christian Quest
I've posted a comment on Alex post, but I need to clarify a few things. The part were I also think ODbL may be a problem is regarding collaborating with government agencies where share-alike is required. It is a pitty that these agencies cannot join OSM because of ODbL, not because they just want

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Jake Wasserman
Alex, I agree with you! Figured I'd speak up as it always seems the no votes get all the attention on the list. -Jake On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Christian Quest wrote: > I've posted a comment on Alex post, but I need to clarify a few things. > > The part were I also think ODbL may be a p

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Jake, On 13.03.2014 20:17, Jake Wasserman wrote: > Figured I'd speak up as it always seems the no votes get all the > attention on the list. This is not a vote; it is a discussion. Although the distinction becomes blurred sometimes, in discussions it is common to think about an issue, balance the

[OSM-talk] Moderating agree/disagree comments (was Re: OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike)

2014-03-13 Thread Alex Barth
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 13.03.2014 20:17, Jake Wasserman wrote: > > Figured I'd speak up as it always seems the no votes get all the > > attention on the list. > > This is not a vote; it is a discussion. Although the distinction becomes > blurred sometimes, in d

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 13.03.2014 15:26, schrieb Alex Barth: Looking forward to your comments, No! Stay at Share alike to avoid misuse of open data! Compare it to the GPL which is frequently used in OS-Sortware. Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@opens