Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-29 Thread Russ Nelson
Tom Hughes writes: > For the record I personally was perfectly happy to see things like long > obliterated railways removed from the standard rendering. Railway=dismantled was never in the standard rendering. It was railway=abandoned which was removed. I think you should be less than perfectly

Re: [OSM-talk] Using Notes in France

2014-07-29 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Þann 29.7.2014 22:05, skrifaði Andreas Labres: On 29.07.14 22:32, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: Map Notes are in my mind a to-do list obvious problems that require surveying on the ground I disagree with this (principle idea). I disagree with your disagreement. But if the names exist and are

Re: [OSM-talk] Using Notes in France

2014-07-29 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 12:34 AM, Paul Norman wrote: > I'd consider that a useful note, and certainly within the scope of what > notes were intended for. ?! "useful" in what ? That the street names are missing in a town ? Then create a note for missing addresses, shops, pharmacies, etc. Such not

Re: [OSM-talk] Using Notes in France

2014-07-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/29/2014 1:32 PM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: Well I was surveying some area in France earlier this year and found a spot with missing street names so I marked it in and a JBacc1 (same JB?) commented "so what" (in French Oui. Quels sont-ils ?) and resolved it thus. I reopened it wit

Re: [OSM-talk] Using Notes in France

2014-07-29 Thread Andreas Labres
On 29.07.14 22:32, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: > Map Notes are in my mind a to-do list obvious problems that require surveying > on the ground I disagree with this (principle idea). Notes were created as an easy means for non-mappers (or less experienced mappers) to give some kind of hint where

Re: [OSM-talk] Using Notes in France

2014-07-29 Thread Jo
I always thought Notes could work in 2 directions. It's sometimes easier to create a Note from OsmAND or Vespucci, than to do the mapping right there and then. Those are the Notes I usually resolve myself, after I come home, as it's easier to work on the data with JOSM. They can, of course serve a

[OSM-talk] Using Notes in France

2014-07-29 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
The previous discussion about apparent automated Notes spam in various places about speed limits brought one comment I found interesting, where JB said "but in France, I have never ever seen anyone comment on someone else's note". Well I was surveying some area in France earlier this year and

Re: [OSM-talk] Master City - Country versions (Italy, France and Germany)

2014-07-29 Thread Mario Danelli
Il 06/03/2014 19:04, Mario Danelli ha scritto: Dear all, I just released Android country versions of the Master City game: - Master City Italia - Master City France - Master City Deutschland Each version has more cities (more than 1000 for country), more detailed zoom levels and a bonus level.

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 29/lug/2014 um 13:39 schrieb Peter Wendorff : > > as it is even more difficult (if > possible) to detect where there are errors (!) in existing speed limits. personally I also map sign positions (nodes aside the road), because it really helps for verifying what is mapped on the road, how

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread Shaun McDonald
Hi Peter, Unfortunately we don’t take account of any country defaults due to the complexities involved. I’m sure that someone will come up with a tool to highlight the problems if a national speed limit does change, especially if the maxspeed:type is used appropriately. Shaun On 29 Jul 2014,

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 29 Jul 2014, at 13:07, Janko Mihelić wrote: > 2014-07-29 13:39 GMT+02:00 Peter Wendorff : > Hi Shaun, > > if I understand these maps correctly, they show streets without a > maxspeed tag, but not msising maxspeed restrictions under the assumption > of a national default or something like tha

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-07-29 13:39 GMT+02:00 Peter Wendorff : > Hi Shaun, > > if I understand these maps correctly, they show streets without a > maxspeed tag, but not msising maxspeed restrictions under the assumption > of a national default or something like that (although it seems not so > show any "missing maxs

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Shaun, if I understand these maps correctly, they show streets without a maxspeed tag, but not msising maxspeed restrictions under the assumption of a national default or something like that (although it seems not so show any "missing maxspeed" in Germany, so there might be something like that

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread JB
Hello, Not sure it is safe to go on such a discussion that may turn sour soon only because of different views on how notes should be used… Lets say I try to keep the db as clean as possible without getting too much angryness here in France, but am also wondering on how the situation will look

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread Shaun McDonald
Hi Peter, The following ITO Map shows missing maxspeed tags where there isn’t any purple (mph maxspeed) or dark green (km/h maxspeed) colour: http://www.itoworld.com/map/125?lon=-0.08316&lat=51.51851&zoom=14&open_sidebar=map_key&fullscreen=true If you want to see the current speed limits see: ht

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread Peter Wendorff
Sorry, there are QA tools to detect where speed limits are missing? Can you give me a link? And - if it's not self explaining: how should that work? I don't see any way to detect missing speed limits in the data beyond cases where those are implicit defaults, like 100 on non-trunk roads away from b

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread JB
I don't necessarily want to analyse once more how the notes are opened, closed or not closed and to what aim, nor analyse the end of OpenStreetBug life and the quality of the remaining bugs, but in France, I have never ever seen anyone comment on someone else's note (or « resurvey »). The only

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread Tom Hughes
On 29/07/14 07:29, Norbert Wenzel wrote: On 07/29/2014 01:43 AM, John Packer wrote: I'm from Brazil, and recently the community started reporting similar notes, though translated in portuguese, and with the same problems... Besides some obviously wrong values, there are some you can't even say w

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread Steve Doerr
On 29/07/2014 08:32, JB wrote: Anyway, as for most notes concerning speed limits, if you do no have the beginning and the end of the limit, at least in France, the information is quite useless. Are we all armchair mappers now? Surely the note should prompt someone local to go out to the loca

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 29/lug/2014 um 09:32 schrieb JB : > > Anyway, as for most notes concerning speed limits, if you do no have the > beginning and the end of the limit, at least in France, the information is > quite useless. +1, at best this can be a hint to resurvey (if positional accuracy is sufficient

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 Thread JB
In French, I understand the message as « the speed limit in OSM is 0/5/15/90 km, that is incorrect », but the speed limit indicated does not match that of any road in OSM close to the point. Do you understand the english messages the same way? Anyway, as for most notes concerning speed limits, i