Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 27 May 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I admit I am not convinced that it addresses the problem. > > I think that problem in in specific validator rule that is clearly > unwanted by general community* and it does not matter when and how it > appears. Yes, i agree for this particular s

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
27 May 2019, 19:38 by o...@imagico.de: > On Monday 27 May 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> >> By default iD actively suggests to >> - change objects modified by user (like JOSM) >> - objects selected by user during editing >> > > Wouldn't it be relatively simple to change the default to only

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 27 May 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > By default iD actively suggests to > - change objects modified by user (like JOSM) > - objects selected by user during editing Wouldn't it be relatively simple to change the default to only touch features modified by the user in the version depl

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
27 May 2019, 17:51 by o...@imagico.de: > actively modifying features the mapper has not touched in > their fundamental semantics. As already hinted i know too little about > how iD works to specifically say something about how it fits in here. > By default iD actively suggests to - change obj

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Dave F via talk
On 27/05/2019 16:26, Frederik Ramm wrote: AFAIK many editors for example silently drop "created-by" and didn't hear anyone complain about that. That's a bit different. "created-by" was, err,,, created by the developers of the API/editors. Contributors never added it themselves. It hasn't re

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 27 May 2019, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > > > it seems clear to me that any tool that leads mappers to > > unconsciously perform automated edits could and should be blocked > > from write access to the API and accordingly should not be > > available on osm.org. > > I guess that in cases where

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 5/27/19 12:58, Christoph Hormann wrote: >> * Automated Edits code of conduct >> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct) >> : You take advantage of mappers unconsciously adding highway=footway >> to platforms. This is an automated edit. > it seems clear to me t

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Jo
For a very long time I have been trying to adopt the public_transport scheme. After several years of asking it would be rendered on its own without the need for highway=bus_stop tags, I'm giving up on it and came to the conclusion that highway=bus_stop on nodes next to the highway and highway=pl

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Dave F via talk
On 27/05/2019 12:23, Phil Wyatt wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dplatform This suggests replacing highway=platform with public_transport=platform Most of the public_transport=* tags are pure duplicates of existing, more popular tags. They add nothing to the OSM databas

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 27. Mai 2019 um 15:23 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend : > Occasionally there are examples of people > accepting suggestions like this without thinking, and what I'd normally > do in such cases is to comment on the changeset concerned and politely > explain why in this particular case the sugge

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Andy Townsend
On 27/05/2019 12:08, Jo wrote: And the disease is spreading: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Jnd I'm scared. This needs to be mitigated, but indeed, how? Suggestions about tag improvements by an editor are not a new thing - JOSM has had them for ages.  Occasionally there are examples of people a

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
In case that this is an undesirable wrong tagging one may request JOSM dev to add validator rule fixing this. You may also propose worldwide bot edit reverting such changes. (note, I am not sure whatever either is a good idea, it is one of reasons why I did neither) 27 May 2019, 13:08 by winfi.

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Phil Wyatt
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dplatform This suggests replacing highway=platform with public_transport=platform Cheers - Phil From: Jo [mailto:winfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 9:04 PM To: Richard Fairhurst Cc: OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Rem

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Jo
And the disease is spreading: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Jnd I'm scared. This needs to be mitigated, but indeed, how? Jo On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 1:03 PM Jo wrote: > I went to check a platform tagged as > > highway=platform > > which is perfectly alright. > > iD tells me that's deprecated and

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Jo
I went to check a platform tagged as highway=platform which is perfectly alright. iD tells me that's deprecated and suggests to change it to: public_transport=platform bus=yes Then upon uploading it tells me another "improvement" can be made: highway=footway So they are transposing highway=p

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 27 May 2019, Simon Poole wrote: > The problem with this (and the longer thread on tagging), that it has > had exactly 0 effect. > > As I see it we can choose between > > [...] I think this is a too limited view of the options the OSM community has. I in particular see: * a wide range

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andrew Hain wrote: > Have a new team of developers code from the codebase of iD. > Write a new online editor from scratch. > Abandon online editing and tell everyone to use an offline editor. Please stop trolling. Richard -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/General-Discussion-f5171242

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Phil Wyatt
I cant see how a new team of developers would help - they would be operating under the same rules (which I suspect are pretty vague) as all the current developers. Who at the moment dictates which editors can be used at osm.org? If they don't like ID, they can get it turned off. If the ID edito

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Wiklund Johan wrote: > Adding footway to the platform serves no purpose but to please poorly > built > routing engines. Are there actually any such engines, or is this a post-facto justification? OSRM has routed over platforms since 8 September 2013. Valhalla does - it's multimodal and you can't

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Andrew Hain
Also: Have a new team of developers code from the codebase of iD. Write a new online editor from scratch. Abandon online editing and tell everyone to use an offline editor. -- Andrew From: Simon Poole Sent: 27 May 2019 11:07 To: talk@openstreetmap.org; osmf-t..

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

2019-05-27 Thread Simon Poole
The problem with this (and the longer thread on tagging), that it has had exactly 0 effect. As I see it we can choose between - doing nothing (seems to be most popular currently) - wage an edit war by reverting any edits that clearly do not correspond to best practices (not good) - put in place