Re: [OSM-talk] Abuse of natural=cliff tag

2019-09-10 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
Hi, On Fri, Sep 06, 2019 at 02:42:06PM +0200, Vladimir Vyskocil wrote: > Around this area : https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/50.9034/14.2763 > there is a flagrant > misuse and abuse of the usage of the natural=cliff tag. It is used to

Re: [OSM-talk] Reports of FB problems to FB rather than to OSM (was: Attribution guideline status update)

2019-09-10 Thread Kathleen Lu via talk
Andy - what I meant was the hypothetical that Nuno suggested would be terrible. *If* the Facebook button created a note in OSM, then OSM *would* be inundated with 1000s of notes re nonactionable Facebook complaints. The fact that there are several hundred already *without* a button on Facebook's we

[OSM-talk] Reports of FB problems to FB rather than to OSM (was: Attribution guideline status update)

2019-09-10 Thread Andy Townsend
On 10/09/2019 17:40, Kathleen Lu via talk wrote: Not that I've heard (I don't think that was ever the case), but 1000s of notes about FB on OSM sounds terrible to me - they would only add noise for mappers who check notes for things to fix, and some editors show notes in the interface. My under

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-10 Thread Kathleen Lu via talk
Not that I've heard (I don't think that was ever the case), but 1000s of notes about FB on OSM sounds terrible to me - they would only add noise for mappers who check notes for things to fix, and some editors show notes in the interface. My understanding is that FB *is* fixing whatever errors get r

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread Simon Poole
Thanks. BTW I'm not saying that it is always clear when a "good idea" is actually controversial or that you and Quincy are not subject to multiple forces pulling or pushing in opposite directions, but the only solution can be to escalate such issues to a wider audience before implementation, when

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread Bryan Housel
>> >> The decisions we make in iD with the tags are mostly because 1. someone >> asked us to in a ticket or pull request, and we try to give people what they >> want.. or 2. we are trying to solve an actual problem - for example, the >> explicit tagging of piers and platforms came from us tryi

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread Simon Poole
Am 10.09.2019 um 16:08 schrieb Bryan Housel: > Simon you’re completely wrong about this, but I doubt there is anything that > I can say that would change your mind. The "US-corporate bubble" does not > care about the tags used by the iD presets as much as you think they do. I don't think I r

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread Bryan Housel
Simon you’re completely wrong about this, but I doubt there is anything that I can say that would change your mind. The "US-corporate bubble" does not care about the tags used by the iD presets as much as you think they do. The decisions we make in iD with the tags are mostly because 1. someo

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread Simon Poole
Roland I can't help noticing that you are tiptoeing a bit around the actual issue which started the whole discussion: unilateral changes by the iD maintainers (everybody else doesn't have enough leverage to enforce their position, so it is not me specifically picking on them, it is simply a conseq

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread john whelan
If the discussion takes place in a mailing list there is a record of it. Slack is restricted and I'm not certain if a record is available. Same for chat or mumble discussions. Both are valuable but not for formally recording why a decision was made and the reasons behind it. Cheerio John On Tu

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread Valor Naram
Hello Roland and other "talkers",I also thought about creating a new better channel for tagging discussions where all sites (mappers (newbies, experienced), developers, researchers etc.) come into play. E.g. we could create IRC rooms for discussions for each tag and have one main IRC room where on

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
Hello Roland, not sure if you have seen - i already gave my initial thoughts on this on https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/imagico/diary/390599 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.o

[OSM-talk] Re : Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread Pierre Béland via talk
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-10 Thread stevea
My zwei Pfennige (two cents) worth. I am somewhat multilingual (in my context of a largely-monolingual USA): I grew up hearing familial Polish and Hungarian, studied seven years of foreign language (Spanish and French) in middle and high schools and at university double majored in linguistics