lly” grows to
accommodate “entire planet sized” data size problems, then again, sometimes
very focussed, specific efforts are required to “fix” things. Those seem like
they will (and have) make themselves more obvious as we go along.
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Ah, my spell-check is to blame!
“non” should be ncn
“lcm” should be lcm
“a bicycle router showing” should be “a bicycle renderer showing”
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“non” should be non
“lcm” should be lcn
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Deeply appreciated. This tagging and routing were a little sticky here, and
now are much better.
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, as super relations and so on.
Actually, this is fundamental to OSM: how renderers and/or data consumers pay
attention to super-relations. Some respect them, some don’t.
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to offer you (and I am in California, not Pennsylvania) I myself
would offer to be that person, alas, I cannot do so.
I wish the very best to you and your students and encourage your continuing to
use OSM as you see fit.
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> On Apr 11, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Mueller, Thomas &l
contact the professor: simply introduce yourself as an
interested and eager OSM volunteer who wants to help. Then, listen.
Good luck to everybody, COMMUNICATE, keep learning and most of all, have fun!
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State Park (Fall
Creek Unit)." I agree, this doesn't seem ideal, and perhaps a
super-relation to tie them all together would be yet more accurate,
but this naming convention both seems correct and "gets the job done"
(e.g. causes a pleasing rendering th
nk you, Elliott, for calling this to our
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almost none at all.
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hat sort of rail infrastructure
underlies the route relation.
But please DON'T add highway=footway to the platform node/polygon,
UNLESS it is connected to another way containing a highway=* tag.
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know some of this is in charts on our
wikis, but there is nothing like first-hand experience!
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the "gets refreshed every 4 hours based on
latest OMS data" seems to be lagging, at least in the Name (name=*
tag) column. Might this be fixed so it updates as stated? Thank you!
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determination do this (and do it right and well), but only as much
hard work and toolchain development continue.
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Pine Valley and Guatay being a village and hamlet (respectively) and
not part of the City of San Diego (by quite a ways), but certainly in
San Diego County. I think Richard Welty makes a good point to "do
(sufficient) research" but it seems you now have, and I don't beli
it already exists). It may not be drop-dead easy, but an
intermediate coder should be able to make one in short order (weeks,
not months).
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are a key ingredient of
the growth of this project.
So, just another example of a very good thing to do for OSM, coupled
with a corollary reminder:
Ask and you shall receive! (Well, not always, but if you don't, you won't!)
Go OSM!
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what goes into and doesn't go into OSM? Yes, of course. Our core
tenets (e.g. "on the ground verifiable") guide us well here. But if
we are going to change the rules mid-stream, let us say so and not
pretend we are not.
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minicomputers. I saw how quickly and powerfully it became an
extremely popular, widely-used communication medium precisely because
of its "very fine grained and self-organized grouping of contributors
with common interests."
OSM needs the same kind of medium. Today, or soon. It rea
are different (wiki post
rights/attributions differ from the ODBL which guides OSM edit
rights/attributions). While some harmonization of logins/signons is
a good idea, we should do so where we can, but let's recognize that
in some circumstances, we can't.
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ommunity of consensus, and pow, we've got something. OSM is a big
project, and this could happen. Heck, it might already be happening.
Build a good channel (forum-based-community...at least until the
better next is here), and they will come.
I appreciate the listening that ha
are
still quibbling about basic communication platforms that allow us to
identify and grow our community. We truly can do better.
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ares that are
out there? An organization/project as big as ours would need it to
scale to a relatively large size, but that can be done. Should such
a system have a modular approach to importing data from other
platforms, well, Bob's Your Uncle (a s
he long-term, and it really does make a difference! We've
had National Public Radio coverage and other national press, and we
can keep that momentum going if we have the right things to report at
the right times to "feed the media." Let's do so!
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elps me/us (one or more professors)
for a University of California-based Mapping Party to take place in
early- or mid-2016. So, Thank You!
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on that tiny screen! The phone is the data capture (and
squirt it) device, the laptop (and iD in a web browser) are the
editing environment. Let's connect these (wirelessly).
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Looking at Strava, Galileo, Sygic, MAPS.ME and Cyclemeter GPS now.
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se become access= tags.
Tag what you see. Tag what is. This isn't
difficult. Maybe sometimes a little ambiguous or
confusing, and so kind of discussion prone, but
we have here to untangle things. Doing so even
works much of the time!
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ys are also signed
with "Bike Route" signs but don't have a name or number.
I do hope that helps!
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se." This only SEEMS like it isn't useful,
but in some use cases, it is.
Let's be careful with wholesale deletion due to personal taste of
certain data categories. If it is truly wrong, fix it if possible.
Delete it as a last resort, only when it is correct to do so.
next couple of weeks.
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rogress and further growth in the
USBRS, our national bicycle network.
To begin your contributions to this OSM WikiProject, reply using
steveaOSM at softworkers (dot) com. Put "USBR mapping in OSM" in the
Subject line and say in which of these states you
fic* x. We absolutely should
consider the needs of all x's in existence. [1]
+1, Minh. Well said. Succinct. Timely.
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Uncle. Forests are not to be tagged forests. Tag as you like, everybody.
We have a lot of work to do in this project.
I'm now leaving for a national forest to recreate.
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On 08/19/2015 07:25 PM, stevea wrote:
This isn't extreme. Your backyard activity is consistent with the
definition of a forest: a land which is used for the production of
wood/lumber/timber/firewood/pulp/et cetera.
Frederik, Frederik, Frederik...where do I begin?!
According to our wiki
others with differing views using ham-handed
tactics and harsh words. I'm trying to be polite, upstanding,
listening and open-hearted. All of us trying to move forward on this
topic should strive to do so, too.
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:16 PM, stevea
mailto:stevea...@softworkers.comstevea...@softworkers.com wrote:
Me collecting firewood makes this a forest producing timber. Full stop.
So my backyard is a forest now? My backyard has trees, and I
collect all of the downed
a number
of discussions with people in resource management.
This doesn't seem to be of the nature of disclosure, but thank you
for sharing these experiences of yours.
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Owner, National Forests of the USDA (along with hundreds of millions
of other People
, and so are
landuse=forest.
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of water) to punch through and not draw the
little trees icons there. It worked before, it can work this way
again.
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landuse=forest? That somehow isn't right. Not with the
rendering toolchain as mapnik Standard is expressed today.
I can be convinced with something better and more clear. For now, we
have what we have. (Let's not forget we have free-form tagging, too).
It continues.
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wiki, email with file attachments, strong
editors like JOSM and iD, Andy's Cycle Map renderer and good, clear
communication allow great collaboration to take place, yielding
awesome results -- and quickly!
Go, OSM!
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your sleeves
and pitch in: with hundreds of thousands of miles of rail in the
USA, there is a lot of work ahead to improve our national rail
infrastructure!
We can complete these tasks simultaneously -- I don't think one is
necessarily prerequisite to the other.
SteveA
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and then Cycle
Map will render the dashes as solid. You don't have to be from
Kansas, but I have a feeling it would help.
Thanks for reading, and if you do, thanks for replying!
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how these efforts have spread across the entire North American
continent. Our rail is filling out nicely, even as there remains
plenty to do.
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possible, even likely that OSM gets lots of new
surface tagging if we have a router that pays attention. (Data feeds
usage, usage feeds data, ad infinitum).
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does: much of the time, you can't beat it!
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If this is daunting, too large a dataset, or you need additional
technical help, email me and I'll send you my Ten steps for getting
USFS data into OSM tutorial, which I've sent out several times to
grateful recipients.
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way to mean a
certain semantic. Yet, too, this is a forest boundary. What we
(the USA, OSM's wiki...) say a forest is, after all. That has a
certain standing to remain as is: these are forests. Well, as of
3.6 years ago, maybe.
We get smarter as we get older, right?!
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(after tagging a good many National Forests and their included
Wildernesses in California)
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are an Idaho OSM volunteer and can help do an
on-the-ground survey to complete the last few miles of this recent
bicycle infrastructure, our USBRS WikiProject sure would appreciate
the completion!
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Thanks in advance if you can route Amtrak to Norfolk or Union Station
in Chicago,
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reason I posted this. Part of it is better grass-roots enthusiasm
generation (and perhaps how talk-us either does or doesn't fit into
that). I'm in listening mode now.
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amongst themselves (especially those legally leaning amongst us).
I find this a nodding point upon which we might switch topic headers.
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(I think that's called cheerleading, and I'm not terribly
embarrassed for having done so)
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and be
vigilant. We do all of these things, but if we still have problems
(we do, but they do not threaten to make the project unworkable) we
simply must do better.
That's roll-up-our-sleeves work, but it isn't throw-up-our-hands the
project is almost unworkable.
Respectfully,
SteveA
Creating that enthusiasm is a huge challenge (anyone remember
CloudMade's ambassadors?)
I do! That's how I discovered OSM back in 2009. Thank you Sarah
Manley, where ever you are.
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By the way, along with my GPS, a little wire-page note pad with
pencil and my decent memory/brain, I certainly do my fair share of
on-the-ground surveying, too.
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Erring on the side of high ground safety might be
a good place to plant an initial flag, but if it's location is wrong and
we need to move it to a more accurate place, we must do so.
And Frederik Ramm replied:
Frankly - no. OSM does not depend
Absolutely fantastic, awesome tool. What a triumph!
Thank you Frédéric: I salute your efforts and am
now exploring Osmose's depths and interface. Yay!
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(a software and quality assurance professional
for over thirty years, including stints at Apple
and Adobe
expect anything else hundreds of kilometers
long to have names. They are regulated by many levels of
governmental agencies, whose job it is (partly) is to keep track of
these names. Go get 'em, and go put 'em in OSM. Thanks to all who
do.
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--
but that's another topic).
It sounds like it is getting a bit shrill. I'll say it again: I
wish light, not heat.
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Paul, I did notice that map seemed to be free of copyright and said
so on list. I very much appreciate this reminder: don't other-map
into OSM. True.
Like I said, be careful. That goes for me, too. Good thing I was,
and generally am.
Regards,
Steve
by April 2nd or 3rd?
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[1] http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Amtrak
[2] http://openptmap.org/?zoom=5lat=38lon=-98layers=BTFFT
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off-list. We can re-post if needed.
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[1] http://www.bnsf.com/customers/pdf/maps/subdivisions-map.pdf
[2]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging_in_North_America
way.
It's all in those wikis. Makes sense?
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, this sounds like a good basis upon
which to recruit more volunteers for our project
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As is true of so many things OSM: there remains much more to do, but
look what we've already done!
http://www.openrailwaymap.org/?lang=enlat=37lon=-96zoom=5style=standard
Regards and happy mapping (whether rail or another sort),
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Outreach is awesome. Mechanical edits have their (rather limited,
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enter a Northern Transcon
super-relation, continuing to correctly build well-tagged rail
infrastructure in the USA.
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in the USA, we certainly cannot rest
upon our laurels: we have significant catching up to do, especially
with TIGER cleanup.
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/WikiProject_United_States_railways),
but TIGER data in general just need serious and sustained attention
until consensus emerges that they don't. That seems a long way off
so let's do our best to roll up our sleeves and identify how and
where this might happen.
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I don't want to gush in a too self-congratulatory way, but the
comments, tone, replies... we've seen on this thread have been
awesome. Very nicely contributed, everybody, back pats and thumbs up
all around.
Keeping quiet for a bit now,
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(and intermediates experts -- even harder!), emphasizing quality data
entry: skills and knowledge required. We do so now, certainly. And
we grow the map as we build even more of these into the project.
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(Thanks for your patience reading, I admit to being loquacious and
had
resort.
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a shopping center be built on this farmland in the
future? Absolutely not, especially if it is still a working farm and
no construction has yet started.
Are we all agreed? Thanks for good, productive discussion.
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be back in the Stone Age of data entry. OSM is a work in
progress, and likely always will be. We can strive for excellence
without demanding perfection.
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. In fact, it can be seen that some buildings
have been added, and some have not.
Call it a work in progress. OSM, Escondido and Escondido-in-OSM,
that is. One brick (building, train station, bike route, pub, park
bench...) at a time.
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Now linked into our wiki here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_in_the_media
Thanks, Steve, Eric and Richard (Weait). Good program!
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It was fun to do. Went to a studio and had some last minute problems
with an ISDN line going down or something just before
rail, check it out.
Heh: give us a project. OSM goes to town on it!
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. Let's
offer well-structured projects (for lack of a better word) for them
to be a part of. This works, I can say from actual personal
experience. It is part of a good future upon which to continue
building our map.
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as other, specific routing documentation) can fill in any
additional details which may be needed.
And, of course: have fun!
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a great community project!
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so you can do what they say.
In short, I believe this is a reasonable thing to do. I encourage
others to either encourage Tod as I do here, or submit good reasons
why he shouldn't. Additional suggestions for improvement are, of
course, welcome.
Have fun!
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thanks, Marc.
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where SR might
remain (or even replace), but I'm saying where a 2-letter state code
can be used, please use it (in preference to SR). Unless a real
case can be made for SR, as is true in this PA quadrant route example.
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are welcome (and I know are out there).
Perhaps a WikiProject would be helpful (if no more than a place to
meet and chat). And: so far, so good.
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, Montana, Georgia, Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland,
Delaware, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Ohio. And probably
a few other places in these fifty states. Yeah!
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