Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-23 Thread Manuel Reimer
Oliver (skobbler) wrote: > Let's assume that a business user has a database of non-publicly accessible > objects (e.g. a subsurface cable network for demonstration purposes). If the > user installs its own instance of an OpenStreetMap server and draws the > "non-publicly accessible subsurface cable

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
>He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his >own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the "drawing tools". An option would be to create a blank database on top of the OSM data by using the OSM tools. Reg

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: >> He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his >> own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? > > One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the "drawing tools". An option > would be to create a blank database on top of th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > I am still concerned that some business users cannot make use of > OpenStreetMap data because of the Share-Alike-rule as they don't want or > cannot share proprietary data. Umm, if you want it so that some people a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/24/2010 09:34 AM, Andy Allan wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Oliver (skobbler) > > Really, if people (businesses, charities, individuals or whoever) have > data they wish to keep private, they can still use OSM data > internally. If they want to "Publicly Convey this Database, any >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Andy Allan writes: > > No. That would be avoiding the whole point of the share-alike license. > If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it with > OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access to their > geographic data. It's called share-alike! Not > "take-o

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > Andy Allan writes: >> If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it >> with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access >> to their geographic data. > [...] > You are obviously reading section 4.5 in a different way that I do. > [...

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Rob Myers
On 06/24/2010 10:07 AM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > > For me it looks like business users can feel safe with their data if they do > not > make derivative databases, for example by enhancing their own data by taking > tags from OSM database. If enhancing means incorporating the data into a single dat

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Richard Fairhurst writes: > Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > > Andy Allan writes: > >> If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it > >> with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access > >> to their geographic data. > > [...] > > You are obviously reading section 4

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
>What we're currently seeing is "import mania", >poeple trying to stuff every possible bit of information into OSM >because that's the easiest way for them to use it in conjunction with >OSM data. There is too much geodata in the world for this to be >sustainable - OSM must stick to things that ma

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > Users must just take care that they do not edit cable lines according to > what they see on the OSM map, otherwise all of the cable network data > will be considered to be derived from OSM data and thus fall under odbl. Very very broadly yes, but actually at that point (

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 24 June 2010 09:31, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Oliver (skobbler) wrote: > >> He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his > >> own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? > > > > One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the "drawing tools". An

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Frederik Ramm writes: > I think that OSM as a whole - and this is not a legal issue - needs to > improve interoperability. What we're currently seeing is "import mania", > poeple trying to stuff every possible bit of information into OSM > because that's the easiest way for them to use it in