Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-09 Thread Tom Lee
As for OSM ID number, this falls under the so-called Fairhurst Doctrine and would not be considered Substantial under ODbL if and only if the community agrees and the OSMF endorses. At the risk of splitting hairs, I don't think the community/OSMF's sense of the substantial threshold is

Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-08 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-06-08 12:34 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: Please see the following page for the relevant discussion: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Sources the second word in this page says you

Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 07.06.2015 um 21:37 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: Because in US copyright law, facts are not copyrightable. You can source the fact that Washington, D.C. is the capital of the United States of America from a copyrighted book without that fact inheriting the copyright

Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-08 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Actually, Wikidata aims to avoid such judgment calls. As much as possible, all facts (aka statements in Wikidata parlance) should have citations to reliable sources. Please see the following page for the relevant discussion: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Sources So in your example, a city

Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-08 12:34 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: Please see the following page for the relevant discussion: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Sources the second word in this page says you don't need sources for everything (The majority of statements on Wikidata should be

Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-07 Thread Simon Poole
It is not quite so simple - wikipedia articles: clearly each on its own a creative work covered by copyright. Distribution licence not compatible with the ODbL, but that is not of any consequence for OSM since nobody (I hope) is proposing to include Wikipedia articles in OSM. @Eugene a DCMA

Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 7 June 2015 at 20:37, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: The relevant case is Feist v. Rural: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_Publications,_Inc.,_v._Rural_Telephone_Service_Co. Link should be:

Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Sunday 07 June 2015, Simon Poole wrote: - individual facts extracted from wikipedia articles. From a WMF pov unproblematic since facts can't be copyrighted, from an OSM pov problematic because they might have originally been extracted from a 3rd party source and might be from a database

[OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-07 Thread SomeoneElse
On 07/06/2015 12:43, Simon Poole wrote: - while superficially the licence of wikidata is claimed to be CC0 That does raise an interesting question - while the source of wikidata is claimed to be CC0 the source of wikipedia isn't: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights A

Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-07 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 12:40 AM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: However the bit that I really don't understand is that, to take an example wikidata page: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q23098 the source of that is from other, non-CC0-licensed places - how can the result be CC0?

Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-07 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: - individual facts extracted from wikipedia articles. From a WMF pov unproblematic since facts can't be copyrighted, from an OSM pov problematic because they might have originally been extracted from a 3rd party source and

Re: [OSM-talk] (licence of wikidata) was: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-06-07 Thread Simon Poole
Am 07.06.2015 um 22:56 schrieb Christoph Hormann: ... *Individual* facts are never an issue, neither under copyright nor database rights, it only becomes a problem w.r.t. database rights once you systematically transfer data on a larger scale. In other words a single source=wikipedia is