On 18 Mar 2009, at 21:23, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Peter - are you really sure about geograph? AIUI only the photos are > CC-BY-SA, the geolocation is OS-derived. Please check. >
I am sure that Barry Hunter (who started it) assured me at sotm2008 that the whole thing is CCBYSA and that the OS who sponsor the project had agreed to that but I don't see that message repeated on their website. I will check with him again and report back. Regards, Peter > Sorry for crap formatting, moving house so on mobile. > > Richard > > > Peter Miller-7 wrote: >> >> >> On 18 Mar 2009, at 17:11, Lester Caine wrote: >> >>> Tim 'avatar' Bartel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If we're going to cooperate with Wikipedia, then they need to >>>>> cooperate with us by not allowing any dangling links. >>>> >>>> There are several reasons why this isn't possible, but the biggest >>>> one >>>> is the following: Wikipedia isn't controlled by the Wikimedia >>>> Foundation but by the community. With whom do you like to make an >>>> arrangement? It's pretty hard to make an arrangement with a >>>> community >>>> consisting out of constantly changing people. >>> >>> That is probably the main reason who I would prefer to find an >>> alternative 'location' to direct links to. And some useful >>> suggestions >>> have already been made. >>> >>> While I CAN appreciate the idea of our own wiki. That would >>> require a >>> lot more hardware. Viovio has several terabytes of images already, >>> and I >>> suspect wikitravel.org can probably top that. So sharing the load >>> would >>> sound a lot more sensible? >> >> As I see it there are a number of different sorts of 'associated' >> data >> for OSM that needs a reliable and welcoming home somewhere: >> >> 1) Photos - these need to have locations and a direction or >> alternatively two positions, one for the camera and one for the >> subject of the photo. In addition to that it is useful to know when >> it >> was taken and any special attributes, was it taken when it was >> snowing, was it raining, is it a picture of something pretty or of a >> defect or of a signpost or what. All of this information would allow >> applications to decide which ones to use. A journey planner would >> show >> pictures of the pretty things on the route but another application >> might want to show defects to the local council or show illegal >> parking to the police. So... there is a whole load of stuff to do >> with >> photos , some pretty pictures of scenery can go in WikiTravel and >> Viovio etc, but some of the other stuff wouldn't be appreciated there >> and we might need to provide a home. >> >> 2) Articles - background information for a street, when it was >> constructed, why, where its name came from and possibly plans for its >> future. Hard to see who else would give this house-room. >> >> 3) Subjective information about ways - muddy in winter, poor >> lighting, >> too narrow for a double buggy, very crowded on market days etc. >> >> I would like us to think about all this stuff. We need to decide >> which >> bit below in Wikipedia (certainly the right place for articles about >> towns), for Viovio (pretty pictures?), and which nerdy details about >> traffic, pot poles, traffic signs and bus stop poles and origins of >> street names belong in OSM and no-where else. >> >> Finally, lets not be frightened about the cost of another box and the >> hosting because terrabytes and gigabytes are really cheap these days. >> We have just bought a box with 7 Terrabytes of disk storage and it >> cost <£100 per terrabyte. We are also about to import all 1,000,000 >> of >> photos of geographic features in the UK from Geograph (all CCBYSA) >> to >> see how it copes. >> >> Can I suggest that if we are serious about this that we get a wiki >> page together with the brief for the project and see what it looks >> like as we work on it. Does this project have a name and are in vague >> agreement about the scope and the need? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Peter >> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lester Caine - G8HFL >>> ----------------------------- >>> Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact >>> L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk >>> EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ >>> Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// >>> Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Alternatives-to-wikipedia--tp22574913p22588822.html > Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk