Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-20 Thread john whelan
I don't wish to get into a Unix versus Windows war about security. However recognise that Flash is a plug in to a browser. Because of the way browser plug ins work they have very few restrictions on what they can do. I retired recently but before that was involved in protecting very sensitive da

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-20 Thread Rory McCann
Nonsense! The article you cite suggests disabling JavaScript aswell. The main slippy map on OSM uses JavaScript. ergo, we should not be promoting dangerous javascript. Flash has never caused me any security problems on my Ubuntu desktop. Talk to your OS vendor if it's insecure. On 15/05/10 00:10

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-19 Thread pavithran
On 15 May 2010 13:59, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: >> Adobe has explicitly said in the past that they can't open source it >> because they've used a lot of parts in in that they've licensed from >> somewhere else. > > http://www.adobe.com/de/products/eula/third_party/f

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-18 Thread Gervase Markham
On 18/05/10 10:05, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > firefox jetpack Jetpacks are alternatives to extensions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Add-on_%28Mozilla%29 not plugins. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_%28computing%29#Plug-ins_and_extensions for an explanation. I agree the term

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-18 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
firefox jetpack On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 14/05/10 23:51, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your > > l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its > > plugin architecture.

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-18 Thread Gervase Markham
On 14/05/10 23:51, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your > l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its > plugin architecture. Sadly, the definition of how browser plugins work means that they are fully-privi

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-15 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Here is a message from the gnash team that I think is appropriate to forward to this thread. thanks, mike -- Forwarded message -- From: John Gilmore Date: Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:52 AM Subject: [Gnash-dev] Gnash appears on Adobe's web site! To: gnash-...@gnu.org Adobe has a facet

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-15 Thread pavithran
On 14 May 2010 22:38, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I would encourage people to sign the petition at http://openplayer.net/ > encouraging Adobe to make the Flash Player open source. Increasing the pressure on adobe ? Adobe has open sourced flex . There is a video player from flash which is opensourc

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-15 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:17, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I'm also very concerned about the amount of dihydrogenmonoxide contained > in almost any drink you can get nowadays. It is virtually impossible to > escape the stuff, and people are reported to have died from it already[0]. Dihydrogenmonoxide

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 15 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > that's why we call it "sour stuff" in German (Sauerstoff) ;-) > > I'm also very concerned about the amount of dihydrogenmonoxide contained > in almost any drink you can get nowadays. It is virtually impossible to >

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > that's why we call it "sour stuff" in German (Sauerstoff) ;-) I'm also very concerned about the amount of dihydrogenmonoxide contained in almost any drink you can get nowadays. It is virtually impossible to escape the stuff, and people are reported to have died

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/15 Liz : > On Sat, 15 May 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >>  > It's probably the major source of Malware in Windows >> >> Yeah. The major source of drowning in the Atlantic Ocean is water. BAN >> water!!11!11o...@wtflolccbysa >> > don't forget > oxygen is not only poisonous in some forms but

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > Adobe has explicitly said in the past that they can't open source it > because they've used a lot of parts in in that they've licensed from > somewhere else. http://www.adobe.com/de/products/eula/third_party/flashplayer/ Pretty much all the "all rights reserved" s

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
john whelan wrote: > "In order to reduce the threat of successful exploitation of Web > browsers, administrators should maintain a restrictive policy regarding > which applications are allowed within the organization. […] Browser > security features and add-ons should be employed wherever possible

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Smith wrote: > Browser plugin security is a joke and has been for a very long time, > and as far as I'm aware nothing has been reported publicly that > anything is being done to fix the situation. I think (though I'm absolutely no expert on the situation) that Chrome and Safari are working t

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Liz
On Sat, 15 May 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > It's probably the major source of Malware in Windows > > Yeah. The major source of drowning in the Atlantic Ocean is water. BAN > water!!11!11o...@wtflolccbysa > don't forget oxygen is not only poisonous in some forms but promotes explosions so

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 May 2010 08:51, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your > l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its > plugin architecture. Badly written Flash may crash my browser but it has > not yet sent my credit ca

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 22:51, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Aevar Arnfjorth Bjarmason wrote: >> Making their player open source would be nice. But what's mainly >> stopping players like Gnash is that their protocols are closed > > The SWF and RTMP formats are published. The codecs aren't, but that's

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread john whelan
www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-secure-is-flash-heres-what-adobe-wont-tell-you/2152 There are other web sites such as Symantec's site. Symantec's advice corporate advice: "In order to reduce the threat of successful exploitation of Web browsers, administrators should maintain a restrictive policy re

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
john whelan wrote: > Yes but a problem with Flash is it is a major security hole. My considered opinion on that theory is "bollocks". It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its plugin architect

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 17:08, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: > > Occasionally the subject of Flash and free software comes up here in > > relation to Potlatch. > > > > I would encourage people to sign the petition at http://openplayer

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 17:08, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Occasionally the subject of Flash and free software comes up here in > relation to Potlatch. > > I would encourage people to sign the petition at http://openplayer.net/ > encouraging Adobe to make the Flash Player open source. Making their

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread john whelan
Yes but a problem with Flash is it is a major security hole. It's probably the major source of Malware in Windows at the moment so we should probably promote other alternative methods. Cheerio John On 14 May 2010 13:08, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Occasionally the subject of Flash and free soft

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Emilie Laffray
+1 On 14 May 2010 18:10, "Richard Fairhurst" wrote: Occasionally the subject of Flash and free software comes up here in relation to Potlatch. I would encourage people to sign the petition at http://openplayer.net/ encouraging Adobe to make the Flash Player open source. cheers Richard ___

[OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Occasionally the subject of Flash and free software comes up here in relation to Potlatch. I would encourage people to sign the petition at http://openplayer.net/ encouraging Adobe to make the Flash Player open source. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing