Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-30 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> - Zitierten Text ausblenden - >>> Greg Troxel wrote:   I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of th= > e   buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we= >  all   think of that as so

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Paul Johnson
> - Zitierten Text ausblenden - >> Greg Troxel wrote: >>> I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of th= e >>> buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we= all >>> think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). >> highway=3Dunclassified fo

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Richard Mann
I'd have said a pedestrian street was one which (often through conversion) is now primarily for access on foot, and pretty much unsegregated (ie no kerbs, and not much paving differentiation). Access varies (can be bicycles, motorcycles or even some cars - eg Lucca in Italy). It doesn't only apply

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/29 Greg Troxel : > >  Isn't that highway=pedestrian exactly?  As for cars I think it might >  be a physical impossibility rather than permitted / not permitted. >  (But for routing purposes it's just the same.) well, IMHO it's not, as "pedestrian" are streets not generally allowed to cars,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Isn't that highway=pedestrian exactly? As for cars I think it might be a physical impossibility rather than permitted / not permitted. (But for routing purposes it's just the same.) I suppose it is, except that really it's highway=motorcycle. My real point was that the whole 'highway' con

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/5/29 Greg Troxel : > >  I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the >  buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all >  think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). > > residential doesn't imply sidewalks in my area > >  So is there a

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/29 Paul Johnson : - Zitierten Text ausblenden - > Greg Troxel wrote: >> I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the >> buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all >> think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). > > highway=u

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Paul Johnson
Greg Troxel wrote: > I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the > buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all > think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). highway=unclassified for now (and throw a fixme= tag explaining the situ

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/28 Richard Mann : > I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the > buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all > think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). residential don't have to have pavements, but the width should be at lea

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Greg Troxel
I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). residential doesn't imply sidewalks in my area So is there any objection to highway=pedestria

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Pieren
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Frank Sautter wrote: > so highway=service has no meaning about public accessability. this is > done using the access tag. > highway=service just means this is a road that is not as wide as a > highway=residential. > No, the definition does not say anything about t

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Richard Mann
I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). So is there any objection to highway=pedestrian+bicycle=yes+motorcycle=yes? Richard On Thu, May 28, 2

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 28 May 2009, you wrote: > Ben Laenen wrote: > > It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service > > here. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway says about > highway=service: "Generally for access to a building, motorway > service station, beach, campsite, indust

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Frank Sautter
Ben Laenen wrote: > It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway says about highway=service: "Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc.. This is also comm

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Claudius
Am 26.05.2009 12:29, Ben Laenen: > On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Jacek Konieczny wrote: >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:56:42AM +0200, Ivan Garcia wrote: >>> Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm >>> will be the same than a normal residential street >> No, I guess, it will have a

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-27 Thread Paul Johnson
andrzej zaborowski wrote: > 2009/5/26 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason : >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote: >>> Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the >>> same than a normal residential street, what highway tag can I use to >>> differentiate this al

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Paul Johnson wrote: > Ben Laenen wrote: > > It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service > > here. > > Alleyways are clearly public roads, and those are highway=service > service=alley... But I think there's a big difference in alleys that should be tagg

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
andrzej zaborowski wrote: > 2009/5/26 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason : >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote: >>> Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the >>> same than a normal residential street, what highway tag can I use to >>> differentiate this al

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/5/26 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason : > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote: >> Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the >> same than a normal residential street, what highway tag  can I use to >> differentiate this allewys in the rendered map? > > T

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service here. > > Alleyways are clearly public roads, and those are highway=service > service=alley... > Why you don't create a highway=alley and just keep highway=service for service r

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Ben Laenen wrote: > On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Jacek Konieczny wrote: >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:56:42AM +0200, Ivan Garcia wrote: >>> Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm >>> will be the same than a normal residential street >> No, I guess, it will have a red dashed tran

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > This looks like a: > > highway=service > service=alley > access=no > foot=yes > bicycle=yes > motorcycle=yes > So, you "incidentally" tag for the renderers ;-) I always understood highway=service as a service road accessible for ca

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote: > Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the > same than a normal residential street, what highway tag  can I use to > differentiate this allewys in the rendered map? This looks like a: highway=service service=a

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/26 andrzej zaborowski : > I normally use highway=pedestrian for this kind of streets in city > centres (especially mediterranean), here I'd add motorcycle=yes but > definitely wouldn't use access=no. I would use highway=footway, as pedestrian I see for ways that are broad like streets. It d

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/5/26 Paul Johnson : > Ivan Garcia wrote: >> Hi, could you tell me by looking at this picture [1] how to tag this in >> OSM ? >> >> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8Y0T3EnBVPw/SJcJ13KnOII/BCg/ot4X2My6CvA/s400/vietnam%2Balley.jpg >> >> It's an alley where only people/motorbikes can go. > > acc

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Marc Schütz
> > And I guess it should be rather highway=service than > > highway=residental. That changes rendering a bit too (it is narrower > > in Mapnik IIRC). > > What was that again with the "don't tag for the renderer" meme? :-) > > It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service here.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Jacek Konieczny wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:56:42AM +0200, Ivan Garcia wrote: > > Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm > > will be the same than a normal residential street > > No, I guess, it will have a red dashed transparent line drawn o

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:56:42AM +0200, Ivan Garcia wrote: > Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be > the same than a normal residential street No, I guess, it will have a red dashed transparent line drawn over it, meaning „restricted access”. No more details, th

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Maarten Deen
Ivan Garcia wrote: > Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the > same than a normal residential street, what highway tag can I use to > differentiate this allewys in the rendered map? Maybe highway=service? In the map_features it says "Sometimes called an alley,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Ivan Garcia
Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the same than a normal residential street, what highway tag can I use to differentiate this allewys in the rendered map? Best Regards. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Ivan Garcia wrote: > > Hi, could

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Ivan Garcia wrote: > Hi, could you tell me by looking at this picture [1] how to tag this in > OSM ? > > http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8Y0T3EnBVPw/SJcJ13KnOII/BCg/ot4X2My6CvA/s400/vietnam%2Balley.jpg > > It's an alley where only people/motorbikes can go. access=no foot=yes bicycle=yes (I ass

[OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-25 Thread Ivan Garcia
Hi, could you tell me by looking at this picture [1] how to tag this in OSM ? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8Y0T3EnBVPw/SJcJ13KnOII/BCg/ot4X2My6CvA/s400/vietnam%2Balley.jpg It's an alley where only people/motorbikes can go. Best Regards. Ivan. ___