Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:21 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/8/23 Michael Kugelmann : > > BTW: @Felix Hartmann > > using words like > >> > >> so fuck off. > > > > shows that you don't have arguments. So step back - defamation is alsways > a > > sign of weakness. Learn a good conduct before

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On 23 August 2010 16:21, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I also agree it would be absurd to have OSM handle over the account > data of its contributors (and is against almost any privacy law at > least in Europe). There is also no logics in that: people who want to > can simply create a new account w

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2010/8/23 Michael Kugelmann : > BTW: @Felix Hartmann > using words like >> >> so fuck off. > > shows that you don't have arguments. So step back - defamation is alsways a > sign of weakness. Learn a good conduct before you continues with the > discussion. to be fair: he didn't write (others) shou

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Eugene Alvin Villar schrieb: If you must fork, fork the data (planet.osm), not the user data. I disagree with having my credentials being carried over to a separate project that I would not want to be involved in. +1 BTW: @Felix Hartmann using words like so fuck off. shows that you don't have

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Felix Hartmann wrote: >As I stated, my goal is to have OSM to continue under CCBYSA2.0 As I see it CCBYSA is not a goal but a tool. Before asking us to work with - and to give our new data to - your project, it would be fair to tell us what your real goals are. Then ask some layers if CCBYSA is t

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On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Andrew Ayre wrote: > Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Felix Hartmann < >> extremecar...@googlemail.com > >> wrote: >> >>This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the >>

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On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Andrew Ayre wrote: > When I signed up for an account with OSM I didn't realize that my account > information was going into a database that was also CCBYSA. It wasn't, although arguably, the entire database (including usernames, passwords, and email addresses) mus

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On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Andrew Ayre wrote: > When I signed up for an account with OSM I didn't realize that my account > information was going into a database that was also CCBYSA. It's not. This is just the dream of the forkers and then lots of random commenters. - Serge

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Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Felix Hartmann mailto:extremecar...@googlemail.com>> wrote: This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork without new registration.

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On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:13 AM, John Smith wrote: > I don't think making passwords publicly available is a good idea, but > it might be a sign of good faith on OSM(F)'s behalf if it were to > facilitate an easy method for people waiting to claim their > account/edits on a forked database. That w

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 22-08-10 18:04, Renaud MICHEL schreef: > Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 16:58, Milo van der Linden a écrit : >> - Changing from mysql to postgresql/postgis as the core database > > This one has already been done during the API 0.6 switch, see > http:

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Anthony schrieb: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: Felix Hartmann schrieb: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. If you do that, please do it on your own servers, mailing lists, and community, and with your own new project

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Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 16:58, Milo van der Linden a écrit : > - Changing from mysql to postgresql/postgis as the core database This one has already been done during the API 0.6 switch, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/smaug So this is actually a reason to fork for the pro-mysql

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Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 14:13, vous avez écrit : > > If, after some though, I decide I prefer to work on a fork, then I will > > create a new account there, possibly using the same user name if it is > > still available, or a new one. > > I don't think making passwords publicly available is a g

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On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: > Felix Hartmann schrieb: >> >> Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future >> without Odbl. > > If you do that, please do it on your own servers, mailing lists, and > community, and with your own new project name,

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I am not against a fork, but as Frederik already mentioned, there is no to debate about a fork and spread anti-odbl propaganda. There are other good reasons to fork, for me one of them is getting a more distributed database instead of everything in a single farm on a single location. I would not

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On 22 August 2010 13:08, Florian Heer wrote: > Felix Hartmann schrieb: >> >>  Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future >> without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible >> to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to contr

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Felix Hartmann schrieb: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. If you do that, please do it on your own servers, mailing lists, and community, and with your own new project name, as a real fork of any project should do. Robert Kaiser

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> I don't think making passwords publicly available is a good idea, but > it might be a sign of good faith on OSM(F)'s behalf if it were to > facilitate an easy method for people waiting to claim their > account/edits on a forked database. I hope you are kidding... When someone signed-up at OSM the

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Hi, forgive my ignorance, but are the licenses not some how compatible? I mean the work has been done up to now under ccsa20 and compatible license. So that means that the new license allows data from ccsa20 to be ported over, right? or do you need the permission of the new authors? if people want

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Am 22.08.2010 14:06, schrieb Renaud MICHEL: I have no problem if the data I contributed is copied by [one or multiple] fork (that's why a full history dump has been created, cf http://planet.openstreetmap.org/full-experimental/ ), but as those forks would be different projects I expect the acco

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On 22 August 2010 22:06, Renaud MICHEL wrote: > Although my login informations in OSM are not very sensible, I expect them > to be reasonably confidential and only accessible to a few administrators. > I have no problem if the data I contributed is copied by [one or multiple] > fork (that's why a

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Le dimanche 22 août 2010 à 13:08, Florian Heer a écrit : > > This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the > > usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork > > without new registration. > > I think this could be a real problem. Because I for one do no

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On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Felix Hartmann < extremecar...@googlemail.com> wrote: > This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the > usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork > without new registration. > If you must fork, fork the data (planet.

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On 22 August 2010 21:12, Robert Scott wrote: > On Sunday 22 August 2010, Jenny Campbell wrote: >> everyone else's concerns > > You are trying to make it sound like there are a huge number of people that > agree with you. Perhaps you genuinely believe that. If so I think you are > tremendously mi

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On 22 August 2010 21:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Yes, but it can be done clear-headed and without hatred. They want this, we Considering how heated the debate over the license is, do you seriously think this won't happen on similar topics as well? > want that, ok we do our different ways - what I

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On 22.08.2010 12:58, Frederik Ramm wrote: Felix, Felix Hartmann wrote: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to contribute u

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Hi, John Smith wrote: This is not a good starting position for a fork. I'd rather have somone do it who doesn't do it out of blind protest and political propaganda. License disputes is one of the more common reasons for forks to occur. Yes, but it can be done clear-headed and without hatred

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Felix Hartmann schrieb: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to contribute under CCBYSA2.0 terms, and put pressure on OSMF an

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On 22 August 2010 20:58, Frederik Ramm wrote: > This is not a good starting position for a fork. I'd rather have somone do > it who doesn't do it out of blind protest and political propaganda. License disputes is one of the more common reasons for forks to occur.

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Felix, Felix Hartmann wrote: Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to contribute under CCBYSA2.0 terms, and put pressure on OS

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More talk from the folk who would rather brush everyone else's concerns under the carpet I see? I seriously look on OSM in despair at the moment with comments like that. Jeni On 22/08/2010 11:26, Robert Scott wrote: How about you start with your own mailing lists? ___

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On 22.08.2010 12:26, Robert Scott wrote: On Sunday 22 August 2010, Felix Hartmann wrote: This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork without new registration. How about you start with your own mailing l

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On Sunday 22 August 2010, Felix Hartmann wrote: > This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the > usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork > without new registration. How about you start with your own mailing lists? robert.

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You've got my support. I haven't got involved in all the silly bickering, nor do I want to. The moment I am forced to contribute under the new licence will be the day I stop contributing. This isn't the OSM I signed up for. Jeni On 22/08/2010 11:08, Felix Hartmann wrote: Instead of just moan

[OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people who want to contribute under CCBYSA2.0 terms, and put pressure on OSMF and others to tell them th