Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-17 Thread Dave F.
On 04/11/2015 17:36, Lester Caine wrote: The simple answer is secondary, tertiary and unclassified roads in many areas of the world have the same importance, so rendering them drastically differently is a mistake! If, as you state, there are no differences in some areas, they shouldn't be tag

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-16 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 04.11.2015 18:36, Lester Caine napisał(a): The simple answer is secondary, tertiary and unclassified roads in many areas of the world have the same importance, so rendering them drastically differently is a mistake! As the problem of rendering tertiary roads seems to be still not resol

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-14 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 03.11.2015 18:40, Daniel Koć napisał(a): W dniu 03.11.2015 13:17, Dave F. napisał(a): 2. Road widths https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4l8ZKWUAA-566.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4tfRDWUAA6AkN.png As can be seen, there's a problem with the new increased widths. At interchanges individua

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-04 Thread Pierre Béland
De : Pieren À : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mercredi 4 novembre 2015 13h08 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > tertiaries are still rendered, they just don't have a different col

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-04 Thread Lester Caine
On 04/11/15 12:08, Pieren wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> > tertiaries are still rendered, they just don't have a different colour >> > than other roads (but they are thicker). In German we say: remain on the >> > carpet ;-) > Well, I would say in English

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-04 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > tertiaries are still rendered, they just don't have a different colour than > other roads (but they are thicker). In German we say: remain on the carpet ;-) Well, I would say in English "you play with words". It's not visible as a spec

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-04 Thread Simon Poole
Am 04.11.2015 um 06:06 schrieb Max: > Could the renderer take the number of lanes and/or with information of > the road into account? Then we would not have this issue. > The rendering database currently does not include the lanes value, or put differently any such feature would have to weight f

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-04 Thread Lester Caine
On 04/11/15 01:06, Dave F. wrote: > > Hmm... Interesting; I notice nearby that motorway & links are now > rendered as I suggested: > > http://bl.ocks.org/tyrasd/raw/6164696/#18.00/1.29498/103.87800 > > However it doesn't for trunk_link: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.39961/-2.33758 >

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Max
On 2015년 11월 03일 21:17, Dave F. wrote: > > 2. Road widths > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4l8ZKWUAA-566.jpg > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4tfRDWUAA6AkN.png > > As can be seen, there's a problem with the new increased widths. At > interchanges individually mapped lanes are overlapping turning it

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Dave F.
Thanks for that. Hmm... Interesting; I notice nearby that motorway & links are now rendered as I suggested: http://bl.ocks.org/tyrasd/raw/6164696/#18.00/1.29498/103.87800 However it doesn't for trunk_link: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.39961/-2.33758 Maybe it should? (I haven't tes

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 03.11.2015 13:17, Dave F. napisał(a): 2. Road widths https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4l8ZKWUAA-566.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4tfRDWUAA6AkN.png As can be seen, there's a problem with the new increased widths. At interchanges individually mapped lanes are overlapping turning it into

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 03.11.2015 um 16:47 schrieb Pieren : > > I didn't express myself since a long time on this list. I just > discovered the new style and wanted to undestand how it was possible > to kill the tertiary road type in OSM. Because it must be clear : if a > road class is not rend

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Also not correct, various alternatives were tested, samples were shown, > areas where problems occur were mentioned, advantages and disadvantages > of various options mentioned, you can hardly cover this more in depth > than this. > > Not

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Lester Caine
On 03/11/15 14:39, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Note ultimately design decisions are always subjective. If at the end > of a long process a decision is made without once more listing in depth > all arguments for and against it this does not mean the decision is > arbitrary. A 'long process' carr

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 03 November 2015, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: > > > > That is not correct, Mateusz put quite some time into trying > > different alternatives for tertiary roads and there was plenty of > > opportunity for all interested parties to participate in discussion > > with suggestions and arg

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Þann 03.11.2015 14:08, Christoph Hormann reit: On Tuesday 03 November 2015, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: As an active participant in the discussion (mostly advocating for tertiary to be colored) I have to say that "in depth" doesn't really describe how the decision was taken regarding tertiar

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 03 November 2015, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: > > As an active participant in the discussion (mostly advocating for > tertiary to be colored) I have to say that "in depth" doesn't really > describe how the decision was taken regarding tertiary color. The > answer to that was basically

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Þann 03.11.2015 12:46, Christoph Hormann reit: This is a lot of material to review but it is highly recommended to work through that before you make specific suggestions for changes because otherwise you are very likely to frustrate those who participated in those previous discussions by bringin

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 03 November 2015, Dave F. wrote: > > 1. Tertiary roads being rendered white. This, by my count, brings the > total rendered that colour to four: Tertiary, Residential, Service & > Unclassified. Surely clearly distinguishing between very different > classifications using colour make the m

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue Nov 3 12:17:21 2015 GMT, Dave F. wrote > > 2. Road widths > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4l8ZKWUAA-566.jpg > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4tfRDWUAA6AkN.png > > As can be seen, there's a problem with the new increased widths. At > interchanges individually mapped lanes are overlapping

[OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

2015-11-03 Thread Dave F.
Hi Two points regarding the recent OSM carto updates: 1. Tertiary roads being rendered white. This, by my count, brings the total rendered that colour to four: Tertiary, Residential, Service & Unclassified. Surely clearly distinguishing between very different classifications using colour make