Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Ben Welsh ben.we...@gmail.com wrote: Long story short: I'm curious whether our boundaries might have a home in the OSM database. I don't know a ton about the project, but I've always IMHO they might be useful, on the basis that they're not just any old informal

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 June 2010 18:46, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: A compromose would be to add the centre of each neighbourhood (as locality=place or similar) but not the exact boundaries. That doesn't tell you what objects exist inside those boundaries...

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/16 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: OSM does need to think more carefully about what exactly is in and out of scope. The scope is IMHO the worldmap drawn with the knowledge of locals, that's why I'd consider these informal neighbourhoods precious to our data, even more as they are not

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread Tom Hughes
On 16/06/10 10:04, John Smith wrote: On 16 June 2010 18:46, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote: A compromose would be to add the centre of each neighbourhood (as locality=place or similar) but not the exact boundaries. That doesn't tell you what objects exist inside those boundaries... Does

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 June 2010 19:17, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Does that matter if the boundaries are essentially guesswork inventions anyway? If we used that logic we would only ever map from very hi-res very high accurate aerial imagery then because anything less is mostly guess work... It sounds

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread Pieren
We already had a discussion about something smaller than suburbs last year: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-September/041903.html But I don't know if you consider quarters or districts differently as neighborhoods. Pieren ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread John F. Eldredge
This sounds like a good compromise to me, as most people will have a general agreement of where a given neighborhood is located, but differ about where the boundaries are located. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread Ben Welsh
At the risk of over complicating things, let me give a little more info. LA County is a fragmented place with many different cities and unincorporated areas puzzled together. Our neighborhoods are in fact three different types of areas consolidated. 1. Cities divided into neighborhoods. i.e.

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I think it's a good idea but needs a good idea for the tagging with these different combinations and dividing. neighborhood names are common in other cities too and well known to locals. So it is valuable info for osm and should be rendered too. currently some are added as place nodes and also

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread Thomas Ineichen
Hi Ben, I'm just wondering: are the suggestions/improvements by your readers based on anything else than Google Maps?[1] Regards, Thomas [1] e.g. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/debates/westside/#comment-form ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread Ben Welsh
Apollinaris, our boundaries have a classification system we roughed out. How well they would mesh with OSM is something I'd love to hear a critique on. Simplifying things a bit, the taxonomy of our database is two tiers: Neighborhoods and Regions. Neighborhoods come in three types: 1, parts of a

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 June 2010 14:38, Ben Welsh ben.we...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas, if I understand you right, you are asking about the mapping tiles, correct? All of our mapping tiles are drawn from Google. Though we're using OpenLayers, rather than the Google API, most of the time to pull them in. In the

[OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-15 Thread Ben Welsh
Hello listers, I'm a developer at the Los Angeles Times. We just put out a set of boundaries for 272 neighborhoods and 16 regions that cover Los Angeles County. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/ The idea is to draw formal lines that try to capture informal areas commonly used

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Ben Welsh ben.we...@gmail.com wrote: Hello listers, I'm a developer at the Los Angeles Times. We just put out a set of boundaries for 272 neighborhoods and 16 regions that cover Los Angeles County. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/ The

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 June 2010 13:44, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: As a visitor to LA, or viewer of LA on OSM, I think it would be interesting to see the neighbourhood names. It sounds useful to visitors and locals. Not only that, but such boundaries are useful to save adding is_in=* tags to