Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread Matthias Meißer
Am 03.04.2012 19:14, schrieb yvecai: Le 03/04/2012 18:56, Richard Fairhurst a écrit : Pieren wrote: we have a media hype (or media excitement ?) about Microsoft investing big dollars in OSM. [...] Where is the truth here ? I'm sure we'd all like to know! I'm not aware of any announcement

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread pec...@gmail.com
Actually I fail to see any war going on, because Google can easily take our data, attribute accordingly and use them (with ODbL it will be even easier). For some unknown for me reason they still insist to use their own soup of data :) So Microsoft gave us Bing permission, and for that I say thank

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-04-03 19:24, Russ Nelson wrote: Pieren writes: Where is the truth here ? Is the big support and big money the access of Bing aerial imagery ? Is that all ? Hey, that's enough for me. I LOVES the Bing aerial imagery. Microsoft is welcome to take all the credit for helping us that

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread Michael Collinson
On 04/04/2012 04:24, Russ Nelson wrote: Pieren writes: Where is the truth here ? Is the big support and big money the access of Bing aerial imagery ? Is that all ? Hey, that's enough for me. I LOVES the Bing aerial imagery. Microsoft is welcome to take all the credit for helping us that

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: On 04/04/2012 04:24, Russ Nelson wrote: Pieren writes:    Where is the truth here ? Is the big support and big money the    access of Bing aerial imagery ? Is that all ? Hey, that's enough for me. I LOVES the Bing

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread Lester Caine
Matthias Meißer wrote: Am 03.04.2012 19:14, schrieb yvecai: Le 03/04/2012 18:56, Richard Fairhurst a écrit : Pieren wrote: we have a media hype (or media excitement ?) about Microsoft investing big dollars in OSM. [...] Where is the truth here ? I'm sure we'd all like to know! I'm not aware

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: But it's not actually costing them anything? They would be putting the images up anyway, so THEY are the only ones who gain by getting back free vectorized data? No donor to OSM gets special terms or access to the data.

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread Joseph Reeves
Presumably there's a cost of the bandwidth used and of maintaining the servers; running anything approaching a SLA is going to cost. Microsoft get access to the OSM data the same as anyone else, but they also get their images vectorised. I don't know if OSM data, or vector data from their

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread Lester Caine
Joseph Reeves wrote: Presumably there's a cost of the bandwidth used and of maintaining the servers; running anything approaching a SLA is going to cost. Actually I'd view that the other way around ... Potentially reducing the load on their own servers because people will use the vectorized

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread ThomasB
Richard Weait wrote No donor to OSM gets special terms or access to the data. You and I donate data :: we get OSM data under the OSM License RichardF donates code :: he gets OSM data under the OSM License Yahoo! donated imagery for years :: they get OSM data under the OSM License

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread Mikel Maron
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ? Richard Weait wrote No donor to OSM gets special terms or access to the data. You and I donate data :: we get OSM data under the OSM License RichardF donates code :: he gets OSM data

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread ThomasB
Mikel Maron wrote Hi I think we've squeezed just about enough conspiracy theories out of this thread. Let's end it. -Moderators   * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron WTF This is from Microsoft at #osm-de 10/02/2012 Microsoft has received requests from the armed forces

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-04 Thread Mikel Maron
media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ? Mikel Maron wrote Hi I think we've squeezed just about enough conspiracy theories out of this thread. Let's end it. -Moderators   * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron WTF This is from Microsoft at #osm

[OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-03 Thread Pieren
Hi all, Since the release of this PCWorld article: http://www.pcworld.com/article/252649/microsofts_secret_weapon_against_google_maps_open_source.html we have a media hype (or media excitement ?) about Microsoft investing big dollars in OSM. This was repeated in the TheVerge article

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
On 03-04-12 18:18, Pieren wrote: Where is the truth here ? Is the big support and big money the access of Bing aerial imagery ? Is that all ? Who much does it cost to Microsoft to allow its aerial imagery usage in OSM ? I don't find any answer/facts to these simple questions but many

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pieren wrote: we have a media hype (or media excitement ?) about Microsoft investing big dollars in OSM. [...] Where is the truth here ? I'm sure we'd all like to know! I'm not aware of any announcement being made or (say) any formal contact this year between Microsoft and OSMF. cheers

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-03 Thread yvecai
Le 03/04/2012 18:56, Richard Fairhurst a écrit : Pieren wrote: we have a media hype (or media excitement ?) about Microsoft investing big dollars in OSM. [...] Where is the truth here ? I'm sure we'd all like to know! I'm not aware of any announcement being made or (say) any formal contact

Re: [OSM-talk] Truth about media hype in Microsoft lending big support and big dollars to OSM ?

2012-04-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Pieren writes: Where is the truth here ? Is the big support and big money the access of Bing aerial imagery ? Is that all ? Hey, that's enough for me. I LOVES the Bing aerial imagery. Microsoft is welcome to take all the credit for helping us that they want to take. -- --my blog is at