[OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you don't do turn restrictions at the end of ways on the wiki. There is some stuff in the talk page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relation:restriction Anyone care to provide an explanation? The reason I ask is

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC wrote: > I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you > don't do turn restrictions at the end of ways on the wiki. There is > some stuff in the talk page > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relation:restriction > > An

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC wrote: > >> I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you >> don't do turn restrictions at the end of ways on the wiki. There is >> some stuff in the talk page >> >> http://wik

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC wrote: > > On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: > >> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC wrote: >> >>> I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you >>> don't do turn restrictions at the end of ways on the wiki. T

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
SteveC wrote: > On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: >> If both from and to ways continue after the via point and neither is >> one-way, there's two possible ways to interpret it: the restriction >> could apply when coming from either of the ends of the from-way. >> This of course

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:32, Teemu Koskinen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC wrote: > >> >> On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC >>> wrote: >>> I don't see a clear explanation as to why there is ambiguity if you

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread SteveC
On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:34, Tobias Knerr wrote: > SteveC wrote: >> On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: >>> If both from and to ways continue after the via point and neither is >>> one-way, there's two possible ways to interpret it: the restriction >>> could apply when coming from either

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:34:51 +0300, Tobias Knerr wrote: > >|A >| >| > x| B > ---*-- >| >| >| > > Imagine this situation, ways A and B with a common node x. You are > moving on A from north to south and are not allowed to turn into

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:45, David Lynch wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:25, SteveC wrote: > >> If both from and to ways continue after the via point and neither is > >> one-way, there's two possible ways to interpret it: the restriction > >> could apply when coming from either of the ends

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/4/23 SteveC : > > On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:32, Teemu Koskinen wrote: > >> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC wrote: >> >>> >>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: >>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +0300, SteveC wrote: > I don't see a clear explanation as to

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
SteveC schrieb: > Ok so in that case... why don't we make best practice to split your way > A in to two directions, rather than hundreds of little ways? You mean something like that ^A1 |A2 | | | | | | B ---*-*-- | | | | | v with

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread David Earl
If one were to refer to nodes on the two ways instead of the way itself, it would remove the ambiguity wouldn't it? Albeit more complicated for the consumer to work out, in that it would have to decide which way the two nodes were on. |A *a | c| b -*---*---*-

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:56:09 +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > 2009/4/23 SteveC : >> >> On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:32, Teemu Koskinen wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC wrote: >>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/4/23 Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) : > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:56:09 +0200, andrzej zaborowski > wrote: >> Or something like this is common: >> >> B  C >>  \  | >>   \ | >>    \| >>     | >>     | >>     A >> >> where the straight line is considered a turn even though it's >> straight, and the tur

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
David Earl schrieb: > If one were to refer to nodes on the two ways instead of the way itself, > it would remove the ambiguity wouldn't it? There was a proposal that suggested exactly that, "xrestriction": http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Relation:xrestriction Hasn't been used a lot.

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:56, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > 2009/4/23 SteveC : >> >> On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:32, Teemu Koskinen wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:36 +0300, SteveC >>> wrote: >>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 12:17, Teemu Koskinen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:34:05 +030

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread Matt Amos
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:16 PM, David Earl wrote: > If one were to refer to nodes on the two ways instead of the way itself, > it would remove the ambiguity wouldn't it? Albeit more complicated for > the consumer to work out, in that it would have to decide which way the > two nodes were on. an

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-23 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:49:54 +0100, Matt Amos wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:16 PM, David Earl > wrote: >> If one were to refer to nodes on the two ways instead of the way itself, >> it would remove the ambiguity wouldn't it? Albeit more complicated for >> the consumer to work out, in that it

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread Lambertus
What is your problem with having way sections between each intersection instead of one long way? The AND data in the Netherlands has ways that go only from intersection to intersection, we already split the ways at bridges, tunnels, maxspeed changes, name changes etc. Apparently the method of s

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread Ed Loach
> What is your problem with having way sections between each > intersection > instead of one long way? I don't have a problem with splitting ways, as that is what I've always done to add the relevant tags to the relevant section. But I can understand that there is a bit of an issue with doing such

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:01:20 +0100, "Ed Loach" wrote: >> What is your problem with having way sections between each >> intersection >> instead of one long way? > > I don't have a problem with splitting ways, as that is what I've > always done to add the relevant tags to the relevant section. But

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:01:20 +0300, Ed Loach wrote: >> What is your problem with having way sections between each >> intersection >> instead of one long way? > > I don't have a problem with splitting ways, as that is what I've > always done to add the relevant tags to the relevant section. But I

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread kaerast
Ed Loach wrote: > I don't know how > routing engines work out when one way at a junction has priority > over another (or whether they even bother - I guess the best > available at present is to compare names and/or refs). Why do we need to know which way has priority? Yes it is nice to know some

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn restrictions ambiguity

2009-04-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:13 AM, kaerast wrote: > Why do we need to know which way has priority?  Yes it is nice to know > some times, but no other maps show this and it just isn't necessary.  It > tends to be "slower" roads which you need to give way on, and these are > already given a lower pr